http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/science/02 ... l?hpt=Sbin
3000 left in the world. very very sad
maybe start up a more advanced breeding program to encourage growth.
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| Author: | ironyisadeadscene [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | bengals on the verge of extinction. |
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/science/02 ... l?hpt=Sbin 3000 left in the world. very very sad maybe start up a more advanced breeding program to encourage growth. |
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| Author: | PuckSniperPensel [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
Very sad, but they still have a strong fighting chance. The Amur Leopard is in even worse shape right now, with only 35-50 individuals left in the wild. Still goes to show that we need to do all we can to preserve their habitat. |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
Quote: The number of tigers in the wild has dwindled to 3,200 -- less than the number held in captivity in the United States alone, the campaigners said. So we have more of them in captivity in the US than are running wild in Asia. They're not going to become extinct. I also see something highly suspect in this article Quote: Those areas are in Bangladesh, China, Europe, India, Indonesia, Nepal, Russia, the United States, Vietnam, and the Greater Mekong region, which stretches across Cambodia, China, Laos, Myanmar, Thailand and Vietnam. One of these things is not like the other.... This is the WWF begging for money from the US. The best way to do that is with a guilt trip. |
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| Author: | ironyisadeadscene [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
in the wild. yes. these animals shouldnt be confined to preserves and zoos. it should be a point to increase the number in the wild. |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
ironyisadeadscene wrote: in the wild. yes. these animals shouldnt be confined to preserves and zoos. it should be a point to increase the number in the wild. Sure, but they're using the word "extinct"...which they're in no danger of at all. False advertising pisses me off. |
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| Author: | PuckSniperPensel [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
Crosscheck wrote: ironyisadeadscene wrote: in the wild. yes. these animals shouldnt be confined to preserves and zoos. it should be a point to increase the number in the wild. Sure, but they're using the word "extinct"...which they're in no danger of at all. False advertising pisses me off. Dude chill. It's for the bengals. 
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
I'm pretty sure all the pandas in the world live in some form of captivity...are they extinct now? /OK, I'll chill |
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| Author: | ironyisadeadscene [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
Crosscheck wrote: ironyisadeadscene wrote: in the wild. yes. these animals shouldnt be confined to preserves and zoos. it should be a point to increase the number in the wild. Sure, but they're using the word "extinct"...which they're in no danger of at all. False advertising pisses me off. they are critically endangered. the next step is EW, aka, extinct in the wild. the thinking "who cares? we have them in zoos" is dangerous thinking. |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
ironyisadeadscene wrote: they are critically endangered. the next step is EW, aka, extinct in the wild. the thinking "who cares? we have them in zoos" is dangerous thinking. The WWF should be going after asian money since they're the ones eating the things. As a matter of fact, get the UN involved and sanction those bastards. It seems like the US is doing more than its part to help seeing as they're not even native to this continent. |
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| Author: | fly as hale [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
Maybe they should, like, clone them or something. |
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| Author: | jvaccaro6 [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
Whatever keeps Chad Johnson off the TV I'm all for...oh wait...wrong Bengals... |
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| Author: | Markus [ Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
jvaccaro6 wrote: Whatever keeps Chad Johnson off the TV I'm all for...oh wait...wrong Bengals... ha. |
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| Author: | PatGreen [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
Crosscheck wrote: Sure, but they're using the word "extinct"...which they're in no danger of at all. False advertising pisses me off. a simple minimum viable population analysis will prove you wrong. 3,200 in the wild is not a large number at all, especially when their recruitment rate (those that make it to sexual maturity) is less than their death rate, so r<d, meaning the population will continue in a downward trend. please note that the bengal is a "k" species, meaning it is a parentally raised offspring, unlike fish. these "k" species do not invest in energy of laying 10,000 eggs, hoping 20 will survive, but giving birth to 2-4 cubs every 2-4 years and investing time and energy to raise them. some cubs will be lost in the wild to stochastic factors such as weather and anthropogenic forces such as habitat destruction (primarily fragmentation). bear in mind that the smaller a population gets, the higher the probability that genetic issues will take hold, such as demographic bottleneck, heterozygousity (the pairing of unlike alleles) all resulting in genetic diversity, which will lower the overall fitness of a subpopulation and metapopulation. it also increases the probability of severe stochastic forces extirpating or damaging populations. look at the tasmanian devils right now...they are suffering from a cancer that is transmissable through saliva...this has been found to be because of the founder's effect on the population, meaning they are so genetically similar, none of them has immunities to it. with the feline need for large habitats and minimal intersections with other felines, chances of fertilization will be low. felines are also promiscuous, so many littler will have more than one father, enabling "the strong to survive" so with less stochasicity in the fertilization of the litters, genetic diversity is lost. this is ALWAYS a bad thing. also, for scale's sake, the american bison was estimated to be down to 500 animals at it's low point, and they were almost unable to be saved from extinction. most bison are not 100% bison anymore, but have some varying degrees of alleles from other similar species, mostly all even toed ungulates, like musk ox and other bovines. they may say "extinct" but that is most likely due to the common person's lack of intelligence in this micro area of conservation biology including the severity of declining population sizes. very few can realize how small 3200 is and what that actually means in the health of an entire species spread across 3 continents. i know you're a man of many talents, cross, but it seems to me that this is one area you are either against or simply not enlightened, and neither is a bad thing. you do however, often acknowledge that the general public is stupid and uninformed. it is easy to see that few people would acknowledge 3200 animals as being an "endangered" number...but they are. and the thought that the two pronged attack (hunting and habitat destruction) increases the odds in a positive synergistic manner will elude the majority of people. so they HAVE to use "in danger of being extinct"...because they are. even if it seems like a slippery slope or straw man fallacy- it really isn't. also, just because i need to say this, zoo animals should count for nothing when estimating any sort of population. |
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| Author: | Howie Hodge [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
Wow. 
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| Author: | PuckSniperPensel [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
Pat, I'd be interested in hearing your take on global warming. |
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| Author: | acrossthelines [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
jvaccaro6 wrote: Whatever keeps Chad Johnson off the TV I'm all for...oh wait...wrong Bengals... Chad Johnson is awesome. Actually, the Bengals in general are. I've a friend that's a huge fan that's introduced me to their off-field personas. For example, the entire team says, "Child, please," and nothing else to any reporters that ask stupid questions at press conferences |
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| Author: | PuckSniperPensel [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
acrossthelines wrote: jvaccaro6 wrote: Whatever keeps Chad Johnson off the TV I'm all for...oh wait...wrong Bengals... Chad Johnson is awesome. Actually, the Bengals in general are. I've a friend that's a huge fan that's introduced me to their off-field personas. For example, the entire team says, "Child, please," and nothing else to any reporters that ask stupid questions at press conferences LMAO  Chad Johnson has a segment on Sports Soup on versus where he answers fan submitted questions, and I recall him answering one of them, "Child, please." |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
PatGreen wrote: *Brilliant well informed post citing how useless a captive tiger population is* Crosscheck wrote: The WWF should be going after Asian money since they're the ones eating the things. As a matter of fact, get the UN involved and sanction those bastards. It seems like the US is doing more than its part to help seeing as they're not even native to this continent. Am I coming off as campaigning against tigers? |
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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
XC - No, you're coming across as telling the WWF to stay away from us in the US, since we don't hunt or eat tigers... we're just the "Cash Cow" designated as the bleeding heart that contributes to any organization that shows up with a cute picture of a juvenile animal or human with a sad wimpering face.  
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| Author: | Hammygoodness [ Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: bengals on the verge of extinction. |
Damn those are cute animals! Where's my checkbook?! Ham |
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