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| Author: | PuckSniperPensel [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Update:Trainer Killed: Biologists "Whales Neurotic in Tanks" |
I'm sure you've all heard about the trainer who was killed at Sea World by an Orca Whale. Eye witness reports say the whale grabbed her by the waist and violently thrashed her to the point that her shoe fell off. Sea World is claiming the whale grabbed her long pony tail and pulled her under. Here's a link to the article if you haven't seen it: http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/25/florid ... tml?hpt=T2 Jack Hanna's take on the situation: Now I ask, should Orca Whales, who spend their lives traveling thousands upon thousands of miles at sea in the wild, be kept in captivity like they are? It's considered cruel to keep a high energy dog in a small house without much exercise. Why is this acceptable? |
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| Author: | Los9090 [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
I say no at this point... |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
They should be kept in captivity until the time that they're fat enough to be slowly smoked with apple and cherry wood, rubbed with a brown sugar and paprika based rub and served with cole slaw. Mmmm...killer whale. |
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| Author: | slesh [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
Crosscheck wrote: They should be kept in captivity until the time that they're fat enough to be slowly smoked with apple and cherry wood, rubbed with a brown sugar and paprika based rub and served with cole slaw. Mmmm...killer whale.  Been looking at the Japanese sea food cook books again Cross 
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| Author: | CriminallyVu1gar [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
I've been to a few zoos, with decent sized habitats, and while it's kind of cool to see animals you normally would not, it's depressing at the same time. It's like taking a human being and saying, okay the only places you can visit are your house/yard, the store, and this one restaurant. Unfortunately, capitivity is becoming the only way more and more species survive. |
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| Author: | End The Curse [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
Tragic accident, but not sure this means anything about whether animals should be kept in captivity. I do know that since this particular whale had a history of killing humans, it was really fucking stupid to continue using it in the show. It was only a matter of time. |
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| Author: | PuckSniperPensel [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
End The Curse wrote: Tragic accident, but not sure this means anything about whether animals should be kept in captivity. I do know that since this particular whale had a history of killing humans, it was really fucking stupid to continue using it in the show. It was only a matter of time. I'm not necessarily saying all animals. True, Sea World has performed and done shows with Killer Whales over a million times (quite literally) since they opened without any deaths, but they've also had lots of instances where the whales become rowdy like they did in this case. I think humans should have the opportunity to see these magnificent creatures, but only through whale watches. At what point does an animal get too big to keep it in captivity? Have you seen how the fins on these whales curl? That isn't natural in the wild. It happens to these guys because they're in captivity and can't fully exercise them way they would in the wild. Tilly, the whale responsible, has killed before at another theme park, btw. I don't know... it just doesn't seem right to me. The area of the world's oceans: 1,390,000,000 miles squared. The area of the holding tanks for the whales at sea world: < 1 mile squared (based on a google earth look... I could not find this information, however 1 mile is generous.) |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
PuckSniperPensel wrote: Tilly, the whale responsible, has killed before at another theme park, btw. It's going to take a lot of charcoal...I'm taking donations. What do you think would go best with killer whale? A Kansas City sweet sauce or a Carolina vinegar sauce? |
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| Author: | PuckSniperPensel [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
Crosscheck wrote: PuckSniperPensel wrote: Tilly, the whale responsible, has killed before at another theme park, btw. It's going to take a lot of charcoal...I'm taking donations. What do you think would go best with killer whale? A Kansas City sweet sauce or a Carolina vinegar sauce? Seeing how Orcas are part of the dolphin family, and not the whale family, I don't think they're considered a source of food, although I could be wrong. More evidence that keeping whales in captivity is unhealthy: Life expectancies are 1/4th that of those who live in the wild. While attacks by those in captivity aren't common (24 since the 70's), swimming with WILD orcas has been deemed even more safe than swimming with the "domesticated" ones. |
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| Author: | End The Curse [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
Crosscheck wrote: PuckSniperPensel wrote: Tilly, the whale responsible, has killed before at another theme park, btw. It's going to take a lot of charcoal...I'm taking donations. What do you think would go best with killer whale? A Kansas City sweet sauce or a Carolina vinegar sauce? I'm thinking a red curry sauce would be scrumptious. |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
PuckSniperPensel wrote: Seeing how Orcas are part of the dolphin family, and not the whale family, I don't think they're considered a source of food, although I could be wrong. It's a 12,300 lb. chunk of protein that just signed its own death warrant....it's food now. |
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| Author: | Wyohomeboy [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
Crosscheck wrote: PuckSniperPensel wrote: Tilly, the whale responsible, has killed before at another theme park, btw. It's going to take a lot of charcoal...I'm taking donations. What do you think would go best with killer whale? A Kansas City sweet sauce or a Carolina vinegar sauce? I think it is a rich red meat, so maybe Stubs bold and spicy, and I want to hook and real in our dinner  I also have a good supply of dried apple wood 
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| Author: | End The Curse [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
Cross, can you recommend a beer (accessible in most of the country, please) to go with some 4 alarm curry orca? Thx. |
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| Author: | PuckSniperPensel [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
Crosscheck wrote: PuckSniperPensel wrote: Seeing how Orcas are part of the dolphin family, and not the whale family, I don't think they're considered a source of food, although I could be wrong. It's a 12,300 lb. chunk of protein that just signed its own death warrant....it's food now. I guess it's futile to try to have a serious conversation about this subject at this point, sooo... Barbecue sauce is good on EVERYTHING. Whale ribs, smoked? |
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| Author: | ironyisadeadscene [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
they wont kill that orca. i dont think. time to release it back into the wild. |
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| Author: | PuckSniperPensel [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
ironyisadeadscene wrote: they wont kill that orca. i dont think. time to release it back into the wild. It definitely won't be killed. Not sure if they can release it into the wild, either. Time will tell I suppose. |
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| Author: | ironyisadeadscene [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
they caught the thing, they can release it. orcas arnt captive bred and born. its rather sad. |
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| Author: | Wyohomeboy [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
"Save the whale's, but shoot those funky seals, cause they eat all the fish" Cheech & Chong |
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| Author: | PuckSniperPensel [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
ironyisadeadscene wrote: they caught the thing, they can release it. orcas arnt captive bred and born. its rather sad. Actually, since 1999, 40% of the 48 animals on display in captivity were captive born. This whale is older, and he appears to be a pretty aggressive bull, so perhaps he was a wild animal at one point. |
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| Author: | ironyisadeadscene [ Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trainer Killed At Sea World |
well, thats a stat i wasnt aware of. i saw something about an orca enclosure in miami, florida. the whale is 24 feet wide, his enclosure, 30 feet wide. he had been in captivity since the late 70s. |
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