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the first thing that came to my mind when I read the thread title: "Hired by whom?"
Ahh, the federal government...I'm sure this has absolutely nothing to do with the Federal governments 60% stake in the former largest auto manufacturer in the world.

This is getting ridiculous.

Sorry, but if there is a chance it's electrical and these are the guy that can prove it, I'm all for it.

You can't trust Toyota to give you a truthful answer here, and I'd rather not have more Americans die as a result of their poor engineering.

And as an American, I'm happy that GM and Ford might benefit from this.

PuckSniperPensel wrote:

Did I miss a report of Toyota vehicles still having the problem after the pedal recall?
No? Ok then.
The government is just piling on now.

“Still, we'll have to take these new complaints with a grain of salt until NHTSA actually verifies that the allegations are, in fact, true.”

Quote:

“Still, we'll have to take these new complaints with a grain of salt until NHTSA actually verifies that the allegations are, in fact, true.”

Is it normal for the government to launch a $3 million multi-department study based on unconfirmed reports?

No, it's not.

A head start? That's not how the government operates in normal circumstances and that's my point.

They're basically telling the consumer "Toyota's recall fixes are bullshit, their cars will still kill you."
Toyota has been responsible for more than their share of UA incidents going back to 2007...what has changed since then?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =124235858

They're using NASA scientists to determine whether or not Toyota's problems are electrical.

Not good news for the Japanese automaker if this is really the case.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/30/autos/N ... htm?hpt=T2

PuckSniperPensel wrote:

I can't help myself, NASA Scientists? For real? Is there no good auto mechanics in the U.S. anymore? Did they all move to China?
:lol:

My question is - is this happening outside the US? Are there reports of it? I haven't heard of it anywhere but here.

slesh wrote:

PuckSniperPensel wrote:

I can't help myself, NASA Scientists? For real? Is there no good auto mechanics in the U.S. anymore? Did they all move to China?
:lol:

No shit...

NYIntensity wrote:

My question is - is this happening outside the US? Are there reports of it? I haven't heard of it anywhere but here.

Toyota didn't recall any cars from their Asian markets because they said those have a different pedal design.
I would imagine we get "North American" models so instances of UA should be as wide spread in Canada but I've heard no reports on that.

NYIntensity wrote:

slesh wrote:

PuckSniperPensel wrote:

I can't help myself, NASA Scientists? For real? Is there no good auto mechanics in the U.S. anymore? Did they all move to China?
:lol:

No shit...

And on that que, I give you, Monroe Muffler:

My wife brings her car into Monroe for an oil change on the way home from work one day last month. It was the one in NT on the corner of Division and Erie Ave.
So, she calls me up (I'm in town meeting with the development agency there) and I'm right across the street at the old county building on Wheatfield St.
So anyways, she asks me to come over, they've told her she has a cracked rotor. Ok, so I go on over, and I meet this douchebag behind the counter and ask him about it. He gives me the price to fix it. I told him, let me go have a look.

He then tells me no costumers are allowed in the bay area where the vehicles are. So, me being me (a total asshole) I get right up on him and tell him, I'm going to take that tire off of that rim when I get it back to the house, if it doesn't have a cracked rotor, and you just told my wife that in attempt to get a sale, I'm going to come back to this shop and use that same rotor to beat your fuckin ass.

Man, the place got dead quiet, and he just looked at me and said, your right sir, I am so sorry, I just wanted to make the sale.

The moral of the story, well, thats an American Auto Mechanic for ya

Author:	PuckSniperPensel [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:09 pm ]
Post subject:	NASA Scientists Hired to Examine Toyota's Electrical Systems
They're using NASA scientists to determine whether or not Toyota's problems are electrical. Not good news for the Japanese automaker if this is really the case. http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/30/autos/N ... htm?hpt=T2

Author:	Crosscheck [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: NASA Scientists Hired to Examine Toyota's Electrical Systems
the first thing that came to my mind when I read the thread title: "Hired by whom?" Ahh, the federal government...I'm sure this has absolutely nothing to do with the Federal governments 60% stake in the former largest auto manufacturer in the world. This is getting ridiculous.

Author:	CriminallyVu1gar [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: NASA Scientists Hired to Examine Toyota's Electrical Systems
Toyota: A great way to keep moving forward. Love that slogan.

Author:	PuckSniperPensel [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:09 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: NASA Scientists Hired to Examine Toyota's Electrical Systems
Crosscheck wrote: the first thing that came to my mind when I read the thread title: "Hired by whom?" Ahh, the federal government...I'm sure this has absolutely nothing to do with the Federal governments 60% stake in the former largest auto manufacturer in the world. This is getting ridiculous. Sorry, but if there is a chance it's electrical and these are the guy that can prove it, I'm all for it. You can't trust Toyota to give you a truthful answer here, and I'd rather not have more Americans die as a result of their poor engineering. And as an American, I'm happy that GM and Ford might benefit from this.

Author:	ironyisadeadscene [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:09 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: NASA Scientists Hired to Examine Toyota's Electrical Systems
Crosscheck wrote: the first thing that came to my mind when I read the thread title: "Hired by whom?" Ahh, the federal government...I'm sure this has absolutely nothing to do with the Federal governments 60% stake in the former largest auto manufacturer in the world. This is getting ridiculous. im gonna guess the butterfly effect is your favourite movie.

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Author:	Crosscheck [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:13 pm ]
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PuckSniperPensel wrote: Sorry, but if there is a chance it's electrical and these are the guy that can prove it, I'm all for it. You can't trust Toyota to give you a truthful answer here, and I'd rather not have more Americans die as a result of their poor engineering. And as an American, I'm happy that GM and Ford might benefit from this. Did I miss a report of Toyota vehicles still having the problem after the pedal recall? No? Ok then. The government is just piling on now.

Author:	Crosscheck [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:33 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: NASA Scientists Hired to Examine Toyota's Electrical Systems
Quote: “Still, we'll have to take these new complaints with a grain of salt until NHTSA actually verifies that the allegations are, in fact, true.” Is it normal for the government to launch a $3 million multi-department study based on unconfirmed reports? No, it's not.

Author:	Crosscheck [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:04 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: NASA Scientists Hired to Examine Toyota's Electrical Systems
A head start? That's not how the government operates in normal circumstances and that's my point. They're basically telling the consumer "Toyota's recall fixes are bullshit, their cars will still kill you." Toyota has been responsible for more than their share of UA incidents going back to 2007...what has changed since then? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =124235858

Author:	NYIntensity [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:09 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: NASA Scientists Hired to Examine Toyota's Electrical Systems
My question is - is this happening outside the US? Are there reports of it? I haven't heard of it anywhere but here.

Author:	slesh [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:11 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: NASA Scientists Hired to Examine Toyota's Electrical Systems
PuckSniperPensel wrote: They're using NASA scientists to determine whether or not Toyota's problems are electrical. Not good news for the Japanese automaker if this is really the case. http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/30/autos/N ... htm?hpt=T2 I can't help myself, NASA Scientists? For real? Is there no good auto mechanics in the U.S. anymore? Did they all move to China?

Author:	NYIntensity [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:15 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: NASA Scientists Hired to Examine Toyota's Electrical Systems
slesh wrote: PuckSniperPensel wrote: They're using NASA scientists to determine whether or not Toyota's problems are electrical. Not good news for the Japanese automaker if this is really the case. http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/30/autos/N ... htm?hpt=T2 I can't help myself, NASA Scientists? For real? Is there no good auto mechanics in the U.S. anymore? Did they all move to China? No shit...

Author:	Crosscheck [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:21 pm ]
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NYIntensity wrote: My question is - is this happening outside the US? Are there reports of it? I haven't heard of it anywhere but here. Toyota didn't recall any cars from their Asian markets because they said those have a different pedal design. I would imagine we get "North American" models so instances of UA should be as wide spread in Canada but I've heard no reports on that.

Author:	slesh [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:23 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: NASA Scientists Hired to Examine Toyota's Electrical Systems
NYIntensity wrote: slesh wrote: PuckSniperPensel wrote: They're using NASA scientists to determine whether or not Toyota's problems are electrical. Not good news for the Japanese automaker if this is really the case. http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/30/autos/N ... htm?hpt=T2 I can't help myself, NASA Scientists? For real? Is there no good auto mechanics in the U.S. anymore? Did they all move to China? No shit... And on that que, I give you, Monroe Muffler: My wife brings her car into Monroe for an oil change on the way home from work one day last month. It was the one in NT on the corner of Division and Erie Ave. So, she calls me up (I'm in town meeting with the development agency there) and I'm right across the street at the old county building on Wheatfield St. So anyways, she asks me to come over, they've told her she has a cracked rotor. Ok, so I go on over, and I meet this douchebag behind the counter and ask him about it. He gives me the price to fix it. I told him, let me go have a look. He then tells me no costumers are allowed in the bay area where the vehicles are. So, me being me (a total asshole) I get right up on him and tell him, I'm going to take that tire off of that rim when I get it back to the house, if it doesn't have a cracked rotor, and you just told my wife that in attempt to get a sale, I'm going to come back to this shop and use that same rotor to beat your fuckin ass. Man, the place got dead quiet, and he just looked at me and said, your right sir, I am so sorry, I just wanted to make the sale. The moral of the story, well, thats an American Auto Mechanic for ya

Author:	NYIntensity [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:38 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: NASA Scientists Hired to Examine Toyota's Electrical Systems
Crosscheck wrote: NYIntensity wrote: My question is - is this happening outside the US? Are there reports of it? I haven't heard of it anywhere but here. Toyota didn't recall any cars from their Asian markets because they said those have a different pedal design. I would imagine we get "North American" models so instances of UA should be as wide spread in Canada but I've heard no reports on that. I would make the silly assumption that the only thing that would be different would be the length of the wires for the fly-by-wire system, no? I know that driving in afghanistan, the steering wheel was on the right, but the pedal layout was exactly the same.

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Author:	Crosscheck [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:42 pm ]
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Looks like they said China was fine in February then issued a recall there in March http://english.people.com.cn/90001/9077 ... 97316.html http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001 ... 05652.html

Author:	Sabres2Sabres [ Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:38 pm ]
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slesh wrote: NYIntensity wrote: slesh wrote: PuckSniperPensel wrote: They're using NASA scientists to determine whether or not Toyota's problems are electrical. Not good news for the Japanese automaker if this is really the case. http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/30/autos/N ... htm?hpt=T2 I can't help myself, NASA Scientists? For real? Is there no good auto mechanics in the U.S. anymore? Did they all move to China? No shit... And on that que, I give you, Monroe Muffler: My wife brings her car into Monroe for an oil change on the way home from work one day last month. It was the one in NT on the corner of Division and Erie Ave. So, she calls me up (I'm in town meeting with the development agency there) and I'm right across the street at the old county building on Wheatfield St. So anyways, she asks me to come over, they've told her she has a cracked rotor. Ok, so I go on over, and I meet this douchebag behind the counter and ask him about it. He gives me the price to fix it. I told him, let me go have a look. He then tells me no costumers are allowed in the bay area where the vehicles are. So, me being me (a total asshole) I get right up on him and tell him, I'm going to take that tire off of that rim when I get it back to the house, if it doesn't have a cracked rotor, and you just told my wife that in attempt to get a sale, I'm going to come back to this shop and use that same rotor to beat your fuckin ass. Man, the place got dead quiet, and he just looked at me and said, your right sir, I am so sorry, I just wanted to make the sale. The moral of the story, well, thats an American Auto Mechanic for ya I will never go near a Monro again. Took my car there for an oil change last summer, as the oil on my car is a pain to change - the filter is located in such a place that it's almost impossible to reach without a lift. While I was there they tried telling me my tie rods were off. I knew there wasn't a problem with them - the car had just passed inspection a month earlier. Plus why the heck would you be checking tie rods as part of an oil change? They came out saying "it'll be x dollars, do you want us to start now?" They really thought it would be that easy? So they finished the oil change and I went home - noticed right away that I was leaking oil everywhere. There was a rubber gasket that was attached where the bolt went in that must have fallen off - it was not making anything remotely close to a good seal. I don't see how they didn't figure that out when they were changing it. So I had to buy a new gasket and put it on - which involved essentially changing the oil again. At that point it would have been better to do it myself.