They may be too fat for combat, but they're excellent with a joystick.
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| Author: | Godzilla1960 [ Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
A new Pentagon report says that 9 million young adults, 27% percent of all Americans ages 17 to 24, are too fat to join the military. Weight problems are now the leading medical reason that recruits are rejected. I don't think this was Gandhi's plan for a more peaceful world. |
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
They may be too fat for combat, but they're excellent with a joystick.
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| Author: | Stuuuuuuu [ Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
They also have to have a high school diploma, which is a bigger hurdle for most of the would-be soldiers I see. Maybe they're taking the whole "army of one" thing too literally and trying to get so big that they really are an army all on their own. |
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| Author: | Van_Da_Man [ Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
Curse you McDonalds!!! A secret Taliban sect that has been working its way into our culture with cheap food, and KILLING US FROM THE INSIDE!!!1!11112!!!!! |
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| Author: | BlueandYellow [ Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
Maybe if people weren't so stupid and they taught their children not to eat until they get a stomach ulcer. |
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| Author: | Van_Da_Man [ Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
BlueandYellow wrote: Maybe if people weren't so stupid and they taught their children not to eat until they get a stomach ulcer. 
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| Author: | Godzilla1960 [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
Unfortunately, evolution and biology haven't caught up with our modern technology and culture. We have bodies that evolved to eat as much fat as possible, because two million years ago on the Serengeti Plains our ancestors never knew when or if the next meal would come along. Our bodies are still following that program even though today there is a fast food joint around every corner. We have gotten so good at making food so inexpensively that we are now eating ourselves to death. |
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| Author: | jvaccaro6 [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
As it stands right now, I'll be joining the Air Force after I graduate UB in 2011-12 The problem with a lot of the Military Standards are that, they dont take into account a guy with a thick bone structure. I'm 5'11 205 pounds. I am also 18% body fat. Not too shabby considering the national average is somewhere around 25%; or something grossly high like that. I know most people would call me "mildly fit"; I run a mile in under 9 mins now, leg press over 350 pounds, bench over 200, blah blah blah. However the USAF isn't the least bit interested in any of those numbers, they magic number 197lbs. Granted I'm probably more fit than the average guy that's 5'11 205, but they couldn't care less about that. They wont even talk to me seriously about joining until I'm within that 197 pound weight requirement. It's kind of a joke if you ask me. If someone that's obese wants to join, fine, send them to boot camp until they are within the required weight limits, and then make them serve their 4 years. Although we could go the other way, and do what Stalin did, anybody not fit to fight, kill em...but that's a bit extreme eh? |
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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
Crosscheck wrote: They may be too fat for combat, but they're excellent with a joystick. You know, that's really a brilliant response  It made me laugh, and it's terribly true. |
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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
[quote="jvaccaro6"]It's kind of a joke if you ask me. If someone that's obese wants to join, fine, send them to boot camp until they are within the required weight limits, and then make them serve their 4 years.[quote] You realize you get paid in boot camp and your contract starts when you ship, right? Fuck that - if your fat ass wants in, lose the weight, so that we can get your ass through boot camp and out into the operating forces where your body is needed. Not in boot camp where you're getting paid to lose weight. |
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| Author: | jvaccaro6 [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
Hrmm...well my "fat ass" is only a laxative away from making USAF weight; but what I was saying is, make them do boot camp, pay em or not, doesn't make much of a difference, considering they're still going to serve 4 years AFTER boot camp. If it gets more people to want to join the Military, and opens new opportunities for people I fail to see how it's a bad thing. Especially in a time of economic hardship, and high unemployment rates. |
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| Author: | Displaced Fan [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
jvaccaro6 wrote: Hrmm...well my "fat ass" is only a laxative away from making USAF weight; but what I was saying is, make them do boot camp, pay em or not, doesn't make much of a difference, considering they're still going to serve 4 years AFTER boot camp. If it gets more people to want to join the Military, and opens new opportunities for people I fail to see how it's a bad thing. Especially in a time of economic hardship, and high unemployment rates. When I was in boot for the Air Force I was in charge of the so called "fat boy squad" which was a bunch of guys who were over weight and couldn't run their 2 1/2 miles in under 16 minutes. I was chosen cause I ran in high school so I ran with them every night when all the other guys were shining their boots and folding their clothes. Proud to say that every single one of them eventually ran it in 15 flat and graduated boot. From my experience, the main thing keeping people out of the military are criminal offenses and no high school diploma. The main thing getting people kicked out of the Air Force is poor work performance (mouthing off, laziness, chronic trouble kind of troops) and people just plain not wanting to be in the service. If you hate it, and reflect that in crappy work effort then eventually your path with run it's course getting you the old shoe in the ass while you're on the way out the door. As a side note. The military still uses the ancient Body Mass Index which is widely known as being bupkiss. Guys who are on the short side but live in the gym have to get wavers because their waists and weight are to "big" for their frame....nevermind that they can outrun you and bend you into a pretzel. I was blessed with rabbit fast metabolism and ran marathons while I was in but some of my buddies had to go to the gym all the time just to make "standards". The new Air Force fit tests though are much more in line with real fitness evaluation taking into account run times, situp and pushup abilities, weight, height etc. The best way to go though is just be friends with someone from the HAWC (Health and Wellness Center) and get them to mark your scores better...hahaha! |
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| Author: | Displaced Fan [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
Crosscheck wrote: They may be too fat for combat, but they're excellent with a joystick. The main problem is that the vast majority of military jobs involve your ass and a comfy chair. Office jobs are what make up the bulk of military personnel in all services since it takes way more "support" positions than "combat" positions to make the military run. For every infantry troop, every pilot or tank commander etc you have a legion of medical personnel, admin guys, mechanics, comm troops, guys who work at finance, people who go out and build pretty gazebos for squadron get togethers, contractors, PR people, news people, archivists, troops that refuel the planes and clean the windows, and even an small army of guys who's main job it is to suck the poo from the aircraft's toilet tanks. And the list goes on forever. Hard to stay in shape when you're sitting in a chair all day and don't get time to go to the gym. Some offices will let their troops go work out but most have to be in the office at 7 and then in a lot of cases stay until uber late (more work less people....same pay....yeah!) and it's not universally mandatory to do PT in the mornings. |
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| Author: | CriminallyVu1gar [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
Clearly I'm way to heavy for any of the armed services. I mean I could probably pick Jay and Phil up one in each arm and throw them. |
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| Author: | Godzilla1960 [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
While we are at it, what is up with police officers? Maybe it is just where I am (lots of barbeque and southern fried food), but we have a lot of hefty cops. |
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| Author: | Displaced Fan [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
Godzilla1960 wrote: While we are at it, what is up with police officers? Maybe it is just where I am (lots of barbeque and southern fried food), but we have a lot of hefty cops. Fat cops are the reason idiots who wear their pants around their knees can still get away. 
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| Author: | Godzilla1960 [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
Displaced Fan wrote: Godzilla1960 wrote: While we are at it, what is up with police officers? Maybe it is just where I am (lots of barbeque and southern fried food), but we have a lot of hefty cops. Fat cops are the reason idiots who wear their pants around their knees can still get away.
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| Author: | Crosscheck [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
Godzilla1960 wrote: While we are at it, what is up with police officers? Maybe it is just where I am (lots of barbeque and southern fried food), but we have a lot of hefty cops. I think that's covered by Florida being "special" Zilla Not a lot of fatties around these parts. |
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| Author: | Godzilla1960 [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
Crosscheck wrote: Godzilla1960 wrote: While we are at it, what is up with police officers? Maybe it is just where I am (lots of barbeque and southern fried food), but we have a lot of hefty cops. I think that's covered by Florida being "special" Zilla Not a lot of fatties around these parts. The South is, once again, the most obese region of an obese nation. However, Florida (with 24.1% of its pop. overweight) is an exception, tied for 39th with New Hampshire, just ahead of California, which is 41st (23.6% of Californians are overweight). New York is a tad heavier, in the 37th spot (24.5% of New Yorkers are chunking out). All that is relative, though. Twenty-three states got fatter this year, but not one got thinner. http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/200 ... tate_N.htm |
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| Author: | NYIntensity [ Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Nat'l Security Threat: Too Fat to Fight |
Fat cops piss me off. So do fat military members, though. It takes 7 support personnel for every infantryman in the Marine Corps. I was one of those 'support', but I'll be damned if I wasn't patrolling and runnin and gunnin in Afghanistan and Iraq. That's the point - it doesn't matter if you're "support". At some point, you might get called on to exert yourself, and save somebody's life. IF your ass is out of shape, you're the one who needs saving, and may end up costing someone their life. |
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