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 Post subject: How do we fix Buffalo?
PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 7:47 am 
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I haven't lived in WNY since July of 2002. Since then, I feel more in touch with that area than I ever have in my life. Maybe I'm just getting older, and I'm starting to see the "big picture". In one of my classes, we began discussing livability and sustainability, and I'm trying to guide my group towards using Buffalo as our city to evaluate. I'm expecting it to fail miserably, and it upsets me. So, I present to you a jumble of words I'll call a case study, but is really nothing more than an example from my text book. I can't copy/paste, so please, lend me your eyes and minds for a minute. This is going to take a long time to transcribe.

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Thirty-five years ago, Chattanooga, which straddles the Tennessee River, was a decaying industrial city with high levels of pollution. Employment was falling and residents were fleeing to the suburbs, leaving abandoned properties and increasing crime. In 1969, the EPA presented the city with a special award for "the dirtiest city in America." Then, Chattanooga Venture, a nonprofit organization founded by community leaders, launched Vision 2000, the first step of which was to bring people from all walks of life together to build a consensus about what the city could be like. Literally thousands of ideas were gradually distilled into 223 specific projects. Then, with the cooperation of all sectors - including government, business, lending institutions, and average persons - work on the projects began, providing employment in constructino for more than 7,300 people and permanent employment for 1,380 and investing more than $800 million. Among these projects were the following:

-With the support of the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts, local government clamped down hard on industries to control pollution.
-Chattanooga Neighborhood Enterprise fostered the building or renovation of more than 4,600 units of low- and moderate-income housing.
-A new industry to build pollution-control equipment was spawned, as was another industry to build electric buses, which now serve the city without noise or pollution.
-A recycling center employing mentally handicapped adults to separate materials was build.
-An urban greenway demonstration farm, which schoolchildren may visit, was created.
-A zero-emissions industrial park utilizing pollution-avoidance principles was build.
-The river was cleaned up, and a 22-mile Riverwalk reclaimed the waterfront and built parks, playgrounds, and walkways alon the riverbanks.
-Theaters and museums were renovated, and freshwater and saltwater aquariums were built.
-All facilities and a renovated business district were made pedestrian friendly and accessible.

Revision With these and numerous other projects, many of them still ongoing, Chattanooga has moved its reuptation from one of the worst to one of the best places to live. Chattanooga Venture developed a step-by-step guide for community groups to assist them in similar efforts to build sustainable communities, and the city's experience is being modeled in other cities throughout the United States as well as internationally.

*taken from Environmental Science, Tenth Edition, by Richard T. Wright


Being distant from the area, I don't know if anything like this is under way.

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 11:03 am 
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The short answer is, yes, things like that are PLANNED.

Thank New York's bullshit maze of political shenanigans and developers with empty promises and even emptier pockets for anything not getting done.

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 11:05 am 
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I realize it takes money to do these things, but for fuck's sake, the nation just took out a trillion dollar loan...

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The only thing that I know federal dollars would be involved in is that the Buffalo/Albany rail corridor is pushing hard for funding for a high-speed, magnetic-acceleration rail line.

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It's New York. No projects can get done without someone getting their own piece of it. We've got countless IDAs and re-development corps, and they don't do anything but waste money.

I enjoy living here, but I don't envy anyone who runs a business here. It's a maze of patronage and nonsense.


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That's thinking "too big". Go ahead and think global, but act local. I mean, there are many parts of the town that are in shambles, and could use a few construction projects. Please explain to me how Buffalo could have possibly missed out on bailout dollars.

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Western New York got a lot of stimulus funds.

Most are bullshit. Lots of companies got dollars on the PROMISE of creating jobs. If it follows the way the PILOT programs work, all you have do is SAY you'll create jobs, and you'll get cash. Nobody actually bothers to check up on you and make SURE you actually tried to create those jobs.

It's all a sham.


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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 11:22 am 
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Squanto wrote:
Western New York got a lot of stimulus funds.

Most are bullshit. Lots of companies got dollars on the PROMISE of creating jobs. If it follows the way the PILOT programs work, all you have do is SAY you'll create jobs, and you'll get cash. Nobody actually bothers to check up on you and make SURE you actually tried to create those jobs.

It's all a sham.

We need to quit bitching and start a revolution.

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 11:53 am 
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Prime example?

The state just approved a bill that forces over 100k state employees to a 4 day work week, with the 5th day being unpaid, until the state approves a budget. The 100k state employees only represent HALF of the state work force. HALF.

Of course, all the assemblymen and state senators keep their normal pay and work week, whatever that work week actually is. They're also still paying the outside 'consultants' to tell them how they should fix the budget issues.

Granted, some of the union contracts these folks work under are shit, but that's a separate issue. These politicians won't cut themselves one penny.They'll continue to be paid for fucking everything up.


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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 12:30 pm 
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Squanto wrote:
Prime example?

The state just approved a bill that forces over 100k state employees to a 4 day work week, with the 5th day being unpaid, until the state approves a budget. The 100k state employees only represent HALF of the state work force. HALF.

Of course, all the assemblymen and state senators keep their normal pay and work week, whatever that work week actually is. They're also still paying the outside 'consultants' to tell them how they should fix the budget issues.

Granted, some of the union contracts these folks work under are shit, but that's a separate issue. These politicians won't cut themselves one penny.They'll continue to be paid for fucking everything up.

Your use of 'only' strikes me as peculiar. Half is a big amount.

I hear you when you talk about the politicians not taking any pay cuts; I think we should vote on how much they should get paid, too.

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Yeah, that's a poor sentence.

While half is a big amount, the fact that the state employs 200,000 people is astounding. I'm sure that number doesn't even include all the side agencies and authorities that the state runs but aren't technically part of state government.


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mechaphil wrote:
The short answer is, yes, things like that are PLANNED.

Thank New York's bullshit maze of political shenanigans and developers with empty promises and even emptier pockets for anything not getting done.


its like that everywhere. its no longer as cut and dry as someone buying land and building. its so complex, it generally takes a year or longer to get a downtown project okayed in larger cities.

i have ideas how to save flint and such, and one of them is to turn it into a college town, which it is slowly becoming.

if buffalo can find a niche (and tourism on the lake would be a nice place to start) i see it turning around. but you need to find a niche.

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Well, that's a good thing, then. Larry Quinn started work on the canalSIDE project so long ago, that the actual excavating and construction is being done.

With GM sending a couple of new engine lines to Buffalo, it saves the plants...for now. But what happens when these lines evaporate, too? I was hoping pretty hard that they would be turned into manufacturing plants for turbines and other green energy (it was no secret a few companies in that field had a hard-on for the plants once they went down for good).

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 12:54 pm 
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In case you haven't heard much, here's the model photo:
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For reference, Pearl St. Grill and Brewery would be just off the top of the model, the arena is just off the right side of it, and the tree-lined corridor aligned just center-right in the photo is the metro rail that runs down to the arena.

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 1:32 pm 
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Even CanalSide is getting bogged down because community groups are pressuring the Common Council to put rules in to promote minority hiring and such.


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Oh, for fuck's sake. How about no one promotes the hiring of ANY ethnic group? Jesus.

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Squanto wrote:
Even CanalSide is getting bogged down because community groups are pressuring the Common Council to put rules in to promote minority hiring and such.

How about hiring anybody willing to work?

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Even CanalSide is getting bogged down because community groups are pressuring the Common Council to put rules in to promote minority hiring and such.

How about hiring anybody willing to work?

Bingo.

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More correctly, it's a 'Community Benefit Agreement'.

The highlights:

- Any business that employs more than 20 people must pay a living wage, higher than the existing legally mandated minimum wage.
- Quotes for employees to be hired from certain areas of the city, and certain levels of minority hires.

The City Council has said that if a CBA isn't agreed to, they might not sell the 12 acres of land that the project needs to go forward. The Canalside group has said 'ok, we'll move on without it then if you do that'.

So, in short, unless the developers agree to limit their potential workforce to a pool of individuals pre-selected by community activists, there will be a nice 12 acre parking lot on our waterfront.

And we wonder why nobody wants to business here.


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Buffalo doesn't need a big project, or tourist dollars or some grand plan to revive it.

If WNY were business friendly, it would revive itself.
I'm talking about evil tax breaks for corporations.
I'm talking about streamlined environmental impact approval.
I'm talking about lessening the mandatory burden an employer must carry to employ someone.

I had the unique opportunity to live in a boom town at a boom time. Silicon Valley 1999-2002.

There was no talk of politicians greasing the wheels, scheming projects or publicly funded anything.
There's nothing special about silicon valley. The companies that are there could be located anywhere.
San Jose is a small city, most of the larger tech firms aren't even in the city...they're in small towns like Sunnyvale, Milpitas, Mountain View and Santa Clara.
Silicon valley has 2 things going for it that Buffalo does not.
1. A high portion of the population is college educated
2. Government stays the hell out of businesses way

That's it.

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