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"People who smoke crack cocaine are at increased risk of becoming infected with HIV — a finding that highlights the need to adopt and to evaluate the use of safe inhalation rooms and safer crack kits, B.C. researchers say. "

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/cbc- ... d=22329006

I don't know what amazes me more. The fact there was funding to have researchers find this out, or the fact that they are proposing "Safe"rooms. How Safe can smoking crack be for an individual????

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I've seen studies on this. I still struggle to understand it fully though. HIV is bad. A lot of people become HIV positive from using dirty drug equipment. Lets give them a safe place to shoot up. Thus we've achieved a moral victory by preventing the spread of HIV? No. I still don't see how this is a solution. You're trading one devil for another.

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Correlation != causation

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Crosscheck wrote:
Correlation != causation

This can't be said enough.

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"Safer crack kits include a glass stem with a mouth piece, metal screen, lip balm and hand wipes. "

Haha, seriously, I hate the chapped lips and filthy fingers that comes with my pesky crack addiction.


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Pharmacies like Rite Aid sell CLEAN, SAFE NEEDLES for cheap with no questions asked for 18yo and older. This policy was implemented in attempt to cut down the spread of viruses through dirty needles.

I don't condone any "hard" drug use, but if someone is shooting up... take like 5 bucks away from that little baggie and spend it on clean supplies....


No one needs a drug addiction AND the hiv :P


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Don't some clinics offer free syringes?

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fly as hale wrote:
Don't some clinics offer free syringes?

I'm not exactly sure, but that sounds completely legit.
I understand some recreational drug users are very smart about it, but to be honest most of them probably don't give a rats ass as long as they get thier fix.

I'm not gonna lie... I've done many things in my life, but I was ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS smart about it. I feel one should experience many things in life (not crack or herion haha), but if one feels the need to use anything they should educate themselves on the topic first and partake in the safest way possible.

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I've seen studies on this. I still struggle to understand it fully though. HIV is bad. A lot of people become HIV positive from using dirty drug equipment. Lets give them a safe place to shoot up. Thus we've achieved a moral victory by preventing the spread of HIV? No. I still don't see how this is a solution. You're trading one devil for another.


It is todays society.....where no child is left behind in schools, whereas education levels are lessened in order to achieve higher graduation levels, but lower educational levels....in other words, we have a 90% graduation rate, but no one can read their diplomas.......or giving billions to failing businesses and government entities that are going broke.....the bail out will only prolong the inevitable since we, the taxpayers will have to fund the bailout and now cannot afford to buy the product because we have bailed it out.......WTF

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What the government should do is decriminalize Cannabis, or simply make it medically legal federally. This would help because:
1. It would cut down drug trafficking (most dealers primarily make thier money off of weed). They would be putting alot of dealers out of business, forcing them to get a real job to benefit society.
2. All of the time and money spent on stopping marijuana use could then be put towards actual crimes (like hard drugs and murders)
3. It is almost as widely ignored as the prohibition of alcohol was in the 1920's and we all know how that worked out.
4. If someone is caught with Cannabis thier financial aid is completely taken away forever. Way to go Bill Clinton.
5. Studies prove that it is NOT physically addictive and it IS one of the most versatile medecines in the world.
6. We would stop deforestation(for paper) because hemp is a stronger and cheaper material to cultivate. (We are currently the only G20(the worlds financial elite) country that does not have a market for hemp, which is one of the worlds most profitable products because of its strenghth.... its the worlds strongest natual fiber.
7. Tobacco use would most likely be cut down because I'm sure many people would rather smoke a joint than smoke a ciggarette. Also Yes, smoking Marijuana can be bad for your lungs.... but a small purchase of a vaporizer completely nullifies this problem.

and most importantly:
8. If Cannabis users are now going to the store or the pharmacy to pick up the plant, they do not have to worry about getting caught up with the wrong pepole and they are far less likely to come into contact with the hard drugs that cause problems.

So basically legalization/decriminalization/medical legalization would be a win win for everyone.


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fly as hale wrote:
Don't some clinics offer free syringes?

I'm sure you can get free / safe syringes in any major US city...availability isn't the problem.
The...um...motivation of the user to seek out these offerings is the problem.

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Sk8haggard9 wrote:
What the government should do is decriminalize Cannabis, or simply make it medically legal federally. This would help because:
1. It would cut down drug trafficking (most dealers primarily make thier money off of weed). They would be putting alot of dealers out of business, forcing them to get a real job to benefit society.
2. All of the time and money spent on stopping marijuana use could then be put towards actual crimes (like hard drugs and murders)
3. It is almost as widely ignored as the prohibition of alcohol was in the 1920's and we all know how that worked out.
4. If someone is caught with Cannabis thier financial aid is completely taken away forever. Way to go Bill Clinton.
5. Studies prove that it is NOT physically addictive and it IS one of the most versatile medecines in the world.
6. We would stop deforestation(for paper) because hemp is a stronger and cheaper material to cultivate. (We are currently the only G20(the worlds financial elite) country that does not have a market for hemp, which is one of the worlds most profitable products because of its strenghth.... its the worlds strongest natual fiber.
7. Tobacco use would most likely be cut down because I'm sure many people would rather smoke a joint than smoke a ciggarette. Also Yes, smoking Marijuana can be bad for your lungs.... but a small purchase of a vaporizer completely nullifies this problem.

and most importantly:
8. If Cannabis users are now going to the store or the pharmacy to pick up the plant, they do not have to worry about getting caught up with the wrong pepole and they are far less likely to come into contact with the hard drugs that cause problems.

So basically legalization/decriminalization/medical legalization would be a win win for everyone.


I could go on and on and on about other reasons why you're correct... but I'm not in the mood.

Good post. Eventually, cannabis will be legal.

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Heroin addict' " Umm sir....I am an addict and the government says I can get free needles to support my habit from any police agency."

Cop. "Sure, step right this way...by the way, where do you get your stuff...just for the record?"

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dontbethatguy wrote:
I've seen studies on this. I still struggle to understand it fully though. HIV is bad. A lot of people become HIV positive from using dirty drug equipment. Lets give them a safe place to shoot up. Thus we've achieved a moral victory by preventing the spread of HIV? No. I still don't see how this is a solution. You're trading one devil for another.


It is todays society.....where no child is left behind in schools, whereas education levels are lessened in order to achieve higher graduation levels, but lower educational levels....in other words, we have a 90% graduation rate, but no one can read their diplomas.......or giving billions to failing businesses and government entities that are going broke.....the bail out will only prolong the inevitable since we, the taxpayers will have to fund the bailout and now cannot afford to buy the product because we have bailed it out.......WTF


This is probably my favorite post ever on these forums. I am currently in my 2nd year of a 5 year masters program for history education with a minor in philosophy. I 100% agree with everything in this post. I skated by through highschool... never trying, always getting on the High Honor roll. No child left behind, even with good intentions, is an utter failure. They wonder why many others countries have higher IQs than Americans, but they don't realize that they basically GIVE you a diploma and pretend you did an adaquate amount of work to justify such a gift.

As a prospective teacher I have to honestly admit I am completely against the No Child Left Behind program and the lack of intelligence it will leave the future generation with. Education should not come easy. It is something earned through perserverance and dedication.


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As a prospective teacher I have to honestly admit I am completely against the No Child Left Behind program and the lack of intelligence it will leave the future generation with.


Ted Kennedy's true legacy.

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Crosscheck wrote:
Sk8haggard9 wrote:
As a prospective teacher I have to honestly admit I am completely against the No Child Left Behind program and the lack of intelligence it will leave the future generation with.


Ted Kennedy's true legacy.
I prefer the church's "no childs behind left" policy...

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Captain Pants wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:
Sk8haggard9 wrote:
As a prospective teacher I have to honestly admit I am completely against the No Child Left Behind program and the lack of intelligence it will leave the future generation with.


Ted Kennedy's true legacy.
I prefer the church's "no childs behind left" policy...

ha. ha. :roll:

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AudSabres wrote:
"People who smoke crack cocaine are at increased risk of becoming infected with HIV — a finding that highlights the need to adopt and to evaluate the use of safe inhalation rooms and safer crack kits, B.C. researchers say. "

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/cbc- ... d=22329006

I don't know what amazes me more. The fact there was funding to have researchers find this out, or the fact that they are proposing "Safe"rooms. How Safe can smoking crack be for an individual????


This needs further explanation.

Because of its highly addictive nature - especially when coming off a high; crack addicts will do anything to score some more crack. This includes prostitution by users, women AND men alike.

HIV is, as we all know, spread through an exchange of bodily fluids. While the utensils for crack are often a high risk device for spreading hepatitis, they, when used orally, are not a risk for HIV, as the HIV virus is not spread through ingestion. Yes, a stomach ulcer could "possibly" allow for HIV in the system - but it is unlikely.

Sharing needles would be high risk, obviously.

I used to work as a drug and alcohol counselor. I am not an expert on HIV, but I have training in the area. I didn't read the whole article; so if I'm being redundant, I apologize.

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Sk8haggard9 wrote:
What the government should do is decriminalize Cannabis, or simply make it medically legal federally. This would help because:
1. It would cut down drug trafficking (most dealers primarily make thier money off of weed). They would be putting alot of dealers out of business, forcing them to get a real job to benefit society.
2. All of the time and money spent on stopping marijuana use could then be put towards actual crimes (like hard drugs and murders)
3. It is almost as widely ignored as the prohibition of alcohol was in the 1920's and we all know how that worked out.
4. If someone is caught with Cannabis thier financial aid is completely taken away forever. Way to go Bill Clinton.
5. Studies prove that it is NOT physically addictive and it IS one of the most versatile medecines in the world.
6. We would stop deforestation(for paper) because hemp is a stronger and cheaper material to cultivate. (We are currently the only G20(the worlds financial elite) country that does not have a market for hemp, which is one of the worlds most profitable products because of its strenghth.... its the worlds strongest natual fiber.
7. Tobacco use would most likely be cut down because I'm sure many people would rather smoke a joint than smoke a ciggarette. Also Yes, smoking Marijuana can be bad for your lungs.... but a small purchase of a vaporizer completely nullifies this problem.

and most importantly:
8. If Cannabis users are now going to the store or the pharmacy to pick up the plant, they do not have to worry about getting caught up with the wrong pepole and they are far less likely to come into contact with the hard drugs that cause problems.

So basically legalization/decriminalization/medical legalization would be a win win for everyone.


9. And also... umm... what were we talking about?

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