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| Author: | gr8daygo [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
Figured this could be an interesting discussion topic... What are your thoughts on the shootout? How would you adjust? http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/Deci ... dea-123010 Updated Dec 30, 2010 8:13 PM ET After coming up short in their first three attempts this season, the Bruins finally won a shootout when they earned the extra point in Florida on Monday. It helped keep alive a modest three-game winning streak, which the club will take into Thursday's game in Atlanta, but it didn't change my opinion on this blight on the game. The shootout has been around for six seasons now, when it was instituted after the owners' lockout ended in 2005. It doesn't appear to be going away anytime soon. It remains popular with a strong segment of the sport's fan base, even if few actually within the game can stomach seeing a game decided in that fashion. The concept came about because of the notion that fans would no longer accept games without a definitive winner or loser. The fact that the league seemed to survive just fine for 87 years with ties no longer mattered, as fans needed to celebrate a victory or mourn a defeat — regardless of how bogus the mechanism for that resolution. Ties have long been compared to kissing your sister, and I'll avoid the obvious joke about wondering how the league could possibly not want to embrace that concept after trying to woo Southern fans for so long. But even accepting the analogy, I'd argue to extend it by noting that shootouts are like kissing a light socket. It might be a thrill for some, but it's certainly not something I'd fancy. So now, after 65 minutes of a hard-fought team game, NHL games are decided by an individual matchup in a cheesy skills competition. Only the NHL could take arguably the most exciting moment in sports — the penalty shot — and turn it into an abomination. The shootout eliminates most of what makes the game great. There is no teamwork, no passing, no checking or physical play of any kind. The stay-at-home defensemen and checking-line forwards are not needed, and the tough guys can forget about ever playing a role in this spectacle, which may actually make them the lucky ones. The shootout isn't even conducted under normal playing conditions. After overtime, the path between the faceoff circles down the length of the ice is given a "dry scrape" by the Zamboni, much to the dismay of goalies like Tim Thomas. The NHL's leader in goals-against average, save percentage and shutouts this season was no match for the dreaded dry scrape earlier this year, when he stopped old friend Phil Kessel's deciding goal in a shootout in Toronto, but couldn't stop himself from sliding back into the net with the puck. "They scrape the ice [for the shootout], and it's more slippery than at any other time, even normal fresh ice," Thomas said after that Dec. 4 game. "It's just frustrating when you make the save, but you can't stop your backward slide because of dry scraped ice, which you never face at any other time in hockey." The shootout creates plenty of situations you never see at any other time in hockey. Take, for instance, the fact that after 60 minutes, a game worth two points magically now has three at stake. Yes, for all the league's desire to eliminate ties and have a winner and loser in each game, there is no true loser, with the team that is beaten in overtime or a shootout still getting a point. Consider that the NHL's answer to a Little League participation trophy, even if most of the players on the team don't actually get to participate in the shootout. Thanks to those three-point games, the league's records are forever skewed. Last year, just seven of the 30 teams finished with losing records, and just eight currently sit under .500 this year. Does anyone find something wrong with a league that has 77 percent of its teams finish the season with winning records? Those bonus points for shootout wins have already determined several playoff races, most notably last year when Philadelphia beat the Rangers in a shootout in their regular-season finale to secure a postseason berth. Think the Bruins' playoff run might have ended a little differently if the Flyers hadn't snuck in thanks to a last-minute skills competition? And the NHL can't even deliver on the shootout's one redeeming value — its potential for entertainment. While it's an atrocious way to decide a game, a series of breakaways can be fun to watch. That is if creativity were actually encouraged. Instead, when someone like Edmonton rookie Linus Omark tries a spin-o-rama like he did against the Lightning earlier this month, he gets chastised for not "respecting the game." Where was that respect for the game when this awful gimmick was installed? |
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| Author: | Yhoshi [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
(this would be impossible in soccerfootball.) I am against shootouts. |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
Sounds to me he is still bitter his team decided to give up a 3-0 lead in games and in the 7th game a 3 goals lead also to be eliminated from the playoffs. |
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| Author: | Montalo [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
shootouts are bullshit tho, just saying |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
If they didn't play 82 games I'd be for continuous OT in the regular season, but seeing how many games go to a shootout, you'd see many more injuries due to fatigue in the regular season. Blah, blah, blah, professionals. Your body is not made to do that much work so it's impractical for that. I honestly don't want to see ties ever come back. I do like the idea of making a regulation win 3 points, and OT/SO win 2 points, and OT/SO losers 1 point. Or go Reg Win 3 points, OT win 2 points, and SO win 1 point. No points for a loser. |
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| Author: | Montalo [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
i see nothing wrong with ties if after 60(65) minutes of hockey no tea is better than the other, then it cheapens the game to say one team deserves the extra point because they are better in one aspect of the game, breakaways |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
Ties just make it boring to me. If I pay money to see a team win and none win, then I will be pissed. The shootout is fine to me. If you could find a better way to decide a game, then so be it, but I don't see any way that could work better because I for one do not want ties back in the game. |
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| Author: | Montalo [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
Skyline_BNR34 wrote: Ties just make it boring to me. If I pay money to see a team win and none win, then I will be pissed. The shootout is fine to me. If you could find a better way to decide a game, then so be it, but I don't see any way that could work better because I for one do not want ties back in the game. thats the thing tho you pay money to see a hockey game played between two teams, and it is up to the team that you happen to be cheering for win |
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| Author: | Squanto [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
The only problem with the shootout is the creation of the 3 point games. Otherwise it's fine. |
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| Author: | CriminallyVu1gar [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
I don't have much issue with the shootout either. |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
Squanto wrote: The only problem with the shootout is the creation of the 3 point games. Otherwise it's fine. I agree also, remove the loser point, or make a SO win only 1 point and OT and Regulation win 2 points.And when you lose no points are awarded. |
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| Author: | BlueandYellow [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
HAY HAY HAY I love shootouts. How else can Datsyuk absolutely mentally destroy goalies? Need I remind everyone... |
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| Author: | Skyline_BNR34 [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
Same move, but I love that move. |
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| Author: | patkane88 [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
Get rid of it because it is becoming a mockery of the game. Just go to continuous 5 or 10 minute 4 on 4 OT's |
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| Author: | Tvan [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
I love shootouts...I think they're exciting and I used to HATE ties (with the burning passion of thousand suns). I like one team to win and one to lose. |
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| Author: | jvaccaro6 [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
Shoot outs are great, it allows the game to end with a winner and loser, and it puts the puck on the stick of the best players, allows them to show their skills off, and it makes goalies display their talents as well. It's a great showcase for the fans, and I think it's the most exciting part of the game! |
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| Author: | mechaphil [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
2 points for a win, OTW, or SOW 0 points for a loss, OTL, or SOL Fixes things. Also, I fucking love shootout wizardry. How else would we have been graced by the dreaded sick-nasty Around The World, or Datsyuk's alley-oop, or The Kotalik. And ties are a cancer. An absolute cancer. |
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| Author: | hockeyplaya00 [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
I hate ties, Id prefer no losing points, if you lose then you should get 0 points imo. |
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| Author: | YankeeInRaleigh [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
I actually like the shootout, but I was thinking of a possible replacement for it. How about having a shootout of Powerplays? Let me explain, take the same format as the shootout, one round of three tries. Each try now consists of a powerplay. we could say the first one is 5 on 4, and the second two are 5 on 3? Something along those lines. That way people cant complain that it is something 'outside, or foreign' to the game itself which is deciding it. It is the entire team (at least the PP and PKers) who are deciding the game. And it would be pretty freaking exciting. |
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| Author: | Van_Da_Man [ Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Deciding games via shootout bad idea |
YankeeInRaleigh wrote: I actually like the shootout, but I was thinking of a possible replacement for it. How about having a shootout of Powerplays? Let me explain, take the same format as the shootout, one round of three tries. Each try now consists of a powerplay. we could say the first one is 5 on 4, and the second two are 5 on 3? Something along those lines. That way people cant complain that it is something 'outside, or foreign' to the game itself which is deciding it. It is the entire team (at least the PP and PKers) who are deciding the game. And it would be pretty freaking exciting. That would be sweet, but there'd be a fight every PP... If it ended after exactly 2 minutes there'd always be the guy trying to squeeze out that last shot who would get pounded for shooting late. |
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