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Sabresfansince1980
 Post subject: Amanda Knox
PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:29 pm 
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Anyone care, or just glad that the media circus freak show is (almost) over?


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 Post subject: Re: Amanda Knox
PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:40 pm 
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Meh, I've heard about it cause it's been forced down my throat via radio or news articles, but I really try not to care.

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 Post subject: Re: Amanda Knox
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 Post subject: Re: Amanda Knox
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I wonder if she'll ever study abroad again! Trip of a lifetime! Euro trip!!!! Oooopzzz accidently just killed my roommate ooooop at me.

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 Post subject: Re: Amanda Knox
PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:37 pm 
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All I've learned is how backwoods fucked up the Italian justice system is.

And seriously, I understand it's Italy but get the damn giant crucifix off the wall of the courtroom.

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 Post subject: Re: Amanda Knox
PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:25 am 
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Yeah. No evidence in the room that she was even there...

fuck it, lock her up for 4 years

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 Post subject: Re: Amanda Knox
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It's difficult to say with certainty since I've only seen evidence through the lens of the media, but it really did seem like these two got railroaded.


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Sabresfansince1980
 Post subject: Re: Amanda Knox
PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:32 pm 
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I only decided to look up the details this past week, and what I found was very ridiculous as XC mentioned.

Knox, Kercher, and two Italian women shared the house. They were all out at different places the night before. Kercher went home about 9pm, walked the last 500 yds alone. Next morning Knox and one of the Italian girls get home (Knox coming from bf's place) and see broken glass and some blood in common areas, but Kercher's door is locked. Knox called Kercher's cell twice at this time with no answer. The ringing alerted someone in the area to Kercher's cell phone laying around, and that person called police. Knox and the Italian girl called several people, including Sollecito and other police.

Sollecito gets to the house, and the police actually have them break down Kercher's door, where they all find her body. Police do not properly block off the crime scene or collect evidence in a proper or timely manner. The girls and Sollecito were allowed to walk around the house for a little while, with Knox even showering inside. This is a monumental fail in police procedure right away. Then they take them for questioning, and Knox is interrogated for 14 hours without food, water, bathroom...and it's all in ITALIAN. She only studied Italian for two months at that point. They had her imagine or suppose what might have happened to Kercher, and then used her varying ideas against her as contradictory statements. One suggested her boss could've been there, and this allowed the boss to eventually win a 40k Euro slander settlement against Knox.

All the early talk about a drug/sex/satanic orgy was completely fabricated by prosecution. They had a known heroin addict testify against details Knox provided, and then it became known that this "witness" had testified in six previous murder trials...hhmmmm. The prosecution decided that the break in was staged because some glass was on the outside of the window, apparently disregarding the chance that glass was dislodged outward upon entry.

Rudy Guede had been casually known to be in the area, left town the day after the murder, and was found in Germany with some of Kercher's stolen property. His bloody hand print was on the pillow beneath Kercher's body, and his DNA on and inside her. Because the prosecution leaked info, Guede had enough knowledge before arrest to claim that Knox and Sollecito were in the house when he was there, eventually testifying against them to reduce his sentence from 28 to 16 years.


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Sabresfansince1980
 Post subject: Re: Amanda Knox
PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:41 pm 
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Sorry for the text wall, but to continue...

The DNA "evidence" was based on a bra clasp that wasn't collected until 46 days after the murder...46 days. They decided that bloody footprints in the common areas were the same size as Sollecito and Knox...yes, only the same size, even though they were both allowed to walk around inside when the body was found. A little later the prosecution came up with DNA "evidence" from a kitchen knife at Sollecito's, claiming a speck of Kercher's blood on the blade. This was all heavily criticized once an outside panle was allowed to review it.

So basically, the charges were brought against the people who reported the suspicious situation to police to begin with, and based largely on a 14 hour interrogation without food, water, bathroom, sleep, and in a foreign language that resulted in contradictions. Where I work, this would never happen and if it did, a prosecutor would laugh in our faces, and then we'd be sued for all we had. The silver lining is that they at least convicted the real killer, even if he's only getting 16 years for his aide in an absolute mockery of a judicial system.


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 Post subject: Re: Amanda Knox
PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:09 pm 
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Most of those who believe her guilty believe that purely because of her behavior during the trial (smiling occasionally in the courtroom) and at a police station (she did cartwheels once). Since it's outside of what they imagine their own behavior would be, she must be guilty as sin. (I am using harsher language than they would, but still.)

Honestly, fuck that. I personally know someone who has been falsely accused of a crime and have seen this happen to him, and fuck. that. It has been proven through study upon study and experiment upon experiment that what people's perceptions/memories of someone else's behavior or of a given situation are change based upon what they are told after the fact. Example of this bearing out in real life: Cameron Todd Willingham was falsely executed in Texas due largely to eyewitness accounts for arson that killed his three young children. At first, eyewitnesses reported that he was extremely (and appropriately) distressed and tried to get back in the house to save his children; after being told that he was being considered a suspect in their murders, those same exact eyewitnesses either began to say that he was too distressed, that he was acting, or that he was not bothered by it at all; those are the testimonies that ended up being given in court. (There is a lot more complexity to this particular case, though let it not be mistaken that ultimately I don't believe any reasonable person would think of finding him guilty, but when I first read up on it that disgusted me, although I knew/know how extremely common that behavior is.) It's a twisted form of hindsight bias that we are guilty of every day when judging other people.

Looking at Amanda Knox's behavior from the lens of "she's guilty" makes that behavior fit perfectly in an overall scheme we think up in our heads. In reality, though, her behavior can be explained in a myriad of ways which I should not need to get into because people who are familiar with the case should already be able to come up with several off the tops of their heads.

Off my pedestal now... This way of judging people is just something that gets to me more than most things. It happens all the time and is nearly always wrong, sometimes to the point that it takes away a person's life or livelihood. That's not cool.

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 Post subject: Re: Amanda Knox
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:55 am 
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acrossthelines wrote:
Most of those who believe her guilty believe that purely because of her behavior during the trial (smiling occasionally in the courtroom) and at a police station (she did cartwheels once). Since it's outside of what they imagine their own behavior would be, she must be guilty as sin. (I am using harsher language than they would, but still.)

Honestly, fuck that. I personally know someone who has been falsely accused of a crime and have seen this happen to him, and fuck. that. It has been proven through study upon study and experiment upon experiment that what people's perceptions/memories of someone else's behavior or of a given situation are change based upon what they are told after the fact. Example of this bearing out in real life: Cameron Todd Willingham was falsely executed in Texas due largely to eyewitness accounts for arson that killed his three young children. At first, eyewitnesses reported that he was extremely (and appropriately) distressed and tried to get back in the house to save his children; after being told that he was being considered a suspect in their murders, those same exact eyewitnesses either began to say that he was too distressed, that he was acting, or that he was not bothered by it at all; those are the testimonies that ended up being given in court. (There is a lot more complexity to this particular case, though let it not be mistaken that ultimately I don't believe any reasonable person would think of finding him guilty, but when I first read up on it that disgusted me, although I knew/know how extremely common that behavior is.) It's a twisted form of hindsight bias that we are guilty of every day when judging other people.

Looking at Amanda Knox's behavior from the lens of "she's guilty" makes that behavior fit perfectly in an overall scheme we think up in our heads. In reality, though, her behavior can be explained in a myriad of ways which I should not need to get into because people who are familiar with the case should already be able to come up with several off the tops of their heads.

Off my pedestal now... This way of judging people is just something that gets to me more than most things. It happens all the time and is nearly always wrong, sometimes to the point that it takes away a person's life or livelihood. That's not cool.


To add to this, even just using certain words can change how someone views a situation. I know there was one study where participants watched a video of a car crash, and then were later asked one of two questions, depending on the group they were in: how fast was the car going when they hit/collided vs. how fast was the car going when they smashed into each other. The people who heard smashed recorded the speed to be about 10 MPH faster, and remembered the crash to be even more violent than it actually was, as compared to the group that heard the "softer" word. Simply using a stronger word can completely distort a person's memory. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if this sort of thing played a role in the confession that was taken from Knox.


In any case, while I didn't follow this case much at all in the beginning, I read up on it towards the end, just before Knox/Sollecito were acquitted. The whole thing just made me facepalm. Unless there was some major key evidence to this case that tied the two to the crime that the media hadn't presented, it seemed highly unlikely to me that they were involved in any way. There was no motive and no verifiable evidence. The only thing that legitimately linked them at all (from what I could see) was Knox's "confession", which I think most experts agreed wasn't very reliable considering the conditions she was under whilst making said confession. It just blows my mind that the lives of these two people were ruined because of sensationalized media, cops who were horrible at their job, and a prosecutor who seems like he's batshit crazy, as far as I can tell.


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