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Skyline_BNR34

Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:24 am

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End The Curse wrote:

41-10, NE. Bills on their way to a smooth 4-12 season.

Did you not watch the team at all last year?

I'm sorry but before Trent got knocked out that team was scary good and everything was being called great. After he came back they team played timid and Trent never got his groove back and the playcalling sucked terribly.

With Trent calling most of the plays, hopefully, this team is in good shape this year.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:

No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

Rud wrote:

As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.

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CriminallyVu1gar

Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:32 am

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

End The Curse wrote:

41-10, NE. Bills on their way to a smooth 4-12 season.

Yeah, I don't get the doom and gloomers.

The QB position is mediocre at worst. The WR position is good. The RB position is good. The offensive line hasn't been good, but has been much, much better than expected. If Runyan signs with us (unlikely) it could be decent. The defense is good, the corner position especially looks much improved with the development of McKelvin and Corner, and the special teams, as always, will be excellent. The schedule is not as difficult as it appears.

With winnable games against Tampa Bay, Cleveland, Houston, Jacksonville, Tennessee, and Kansas City, and a split in the division you get 8-8. The team has to play well to make the playoffs, no doubt, but that's true any year. There is nothing to suggest a truly abysmal season. There is a lot to suggest continued mediocrity, but we'll see.

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Skyline_BNR34

Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:35 am

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Trent is just a solid QB who can win games, he won't be spectacular and he shouldn't be terrible.

Trent is sorta like Brady early in their careers. both solid QB's who won't be the game breaker until at least later in their careers, and that is how alot of great QB's start out.

Solid QB's in their first few years and only get better as time goes on.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:

No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

Rud wrote:

As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.

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Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:38 am

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Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:05 am

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:

Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

Tom Brady has had one year where he didn't have great players around him.

Brady is a great QB, but he is not the type of QB who will just win games for you always. He was never that guy. He has had the system around him which is designed to win, short throws to the slot receiver who then takes off for ten yards. You think without that system he would have excelled.

Screen plays and quick slant routes is the Patriots system. Yes I hate them but their system would work with any QB.

Brady doesn't call all of his own plays, Manning does, and a real QB can call their own plays, and there have only been a very few QB's who could call their own plays and win games.

Brady is a great QB, but he was a nothing until he was able to do simple things his first year. Notice how Brady never threw 50 TD's until Moss came in or how he was a huge offensive threat. They have always had a great running game and a passing game which was decent enough to win, and a defense which shut others down. The entire team was a great team, one of the best teams in history, but to discredit the coaching staff on that team and say their entire success is because of Brady is foolish and stupid.

The entire team from Defense, to Offense, to Special teams was one of the greatest teams out there.

Brady has only thrown over 4,000 yards twice in his career? His best season for TD's was 50, his next best was 28. He has thrown over 10 interceptions in every season except one.

Brady is good, but he isn't the best to ever played this game or best to ever read defenses. He has had one spectacular season. He has only ever had a QB rating over 100 once in his career, Manning has had it multiple times.

Contrast that with Dan Marino or John Elway who had a veritable poopsicle of talent around them much of the time.

Look, Bret Perriman and Herman Moore made Scott Mitchell look like a God. Ditto Welker, Moss for Brady.

are you kidding? outside of matt millen and joey harrington, scott mitchell was the most hated man by lions fans, and the worst lions starting QB in two decades. the only reason he had any success was barry sanders. it was man to man on the recievers because everyone else had to crowd the line to stop barry sanders.

and back on tom brady. you keep pointing to this system as the only reason brady has success. so, why didnt bledsoe have any success in the few years in the system? that system wasnt in place until about 2004. no, not buying it. bradys success is because brady has the talent and brain to go with it.

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Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:11 am

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Brady is a QB who will never be truly amazing, and this is evident by his entire career.

Averaging 3,600 yards throughout your career so far is pretty good. 30 TD's a year isn't bad either, HoF QB for sure, but he is not, nor will he ever be known as the greatest QB ever.

His biggest thing he will be known for is going 18-1, who cares about his three SB's before that, going 18-0 and losing the Superbowl is what he will forever be known for now.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

Rud wrote:

As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.

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ironyisadeadscene

Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:29 am

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well, if you wanna play that game... kinda like how jim kelly went 0-4 in 4 straight superbowls? and thats what hes known for? sorry, thats wrong. it wasnt brady who lost that game. therefor, no he isnt known for that.

very few quarterbacks have the privledge of going to 4 superbowls and even less have the privledge to win 3. so i dont buy that "thats what hes known for" nonsense.

this all sounds like sour grapes from bills fans. and believe me, i know sour grapes. i aired out mine about gerbe last week. its understandable. i get it. i just think its wrong.

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Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 2:20 am

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:

CriminallyVu1gar wrote:

Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

Bledsoe is slow as a dead cow. The reason David Garrard suddenly works with the Jaguars offense when Leftwich didn't.

And Lions hatred towards mitchell is unfounded since he had three so-so year, one great year and no terrible years.

The team was terrible with Bledsoe the year before Brady came in. That was Belichick's first year with the team where he changed out most of the team's players and personell inputting his own system. Bledsoe got the flux year, brady got the stable one.

People forget Bledsoe won the AFC championship game that year when brady was hurt.

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Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:44 am

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leftwich was a very effective starting quarterback when he was healthy.

mitchell pissed off lions fans to no end. from how he threw sidearm, to how he always seemed to kill a flourishing lions drive with a pass right into the corners chest. with having the weapon that is sanders in the backfield, they ALWAYS have an established running game, and the air attack should have worked. it didnt. mitchell was a miserable quarterback. good lord, when we play a pickup game in the backyard, and someone throws an interception, we STILL say they "mitchelled" it.

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Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:27 pm

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Kelly had one of the best offensive teams in the league for about 5 straight years and threw consistently every year.

Yes he might not have won a Superbowl but does a Superbowl ring mean anything? If Manning wouldn't have won a SB, do you think he would get passed over in the HoF when he retires? No he would be in also.

Marino doesn't seem to think so, he was one of the greatest to never win a Superbowl also.

Kelly and the Bills are known for the 4 straight SB's, but Brady in about 20 years will be known for not winning a SB in which they went 18-0 to get there. Just wait and see.

I'm not denying Brady being a great QB, I just don't think he is the best in the game right now, and I think he became a very successful QB because of the system he plays in. Do you think Matt Cassel is as good as Brady, he looked like it last year, because of that system of play designed by Bilicheat.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:

No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

Rud wrote:

As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.

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mechaphil

Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:31 pm

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I don't think Brady is going to be known purely for losing that one Super Bowl. However, yes, Jim Kelly is known for not winning a single Super Bowl out of four straight.

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CriminallyVu1gar

Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:14 pm

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mechaphil wrote:

I don't think Brady is going to be known purely for losing that one Super Bowl. However, yes, Jim Kelly is known for not winning a single Super Bowl out of four straight.

Everyone kind of gets that. We human beings like to generalize and simplify. See there, I just did it!

Brady is going to be known as the best QB of all time because analysts and writers tend to home for the most recent comer. We learned about something like this in Organizational Behavior, it's called the Recency Tendency (Creative) or something to that effect.

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Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:19 pm

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So, tomorrow, the world gets to see what kind of train wreck or miracle upset the Bills pull out against the Shats.

Definitely gonna be watching the hell out of that.

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Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:36 pm

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:

mechaphil wrote:

I don't think Brady is going to be known purely for losing that one Super Bowl. However, yes, Jim Kelly is known for not winning a single Super Bowl out of four straight.

regardless, the air attack never really came about till the 80s. i remember reading about quarterbacks in the 80s who woukd have great games, and be 6 for 17 for 3 touchdowns and 104 yards. the running game was the main cog to offensive football. the air attack is huge now. hence why unitis and all them, great players, but not as great as now a days. and maybe thats unfair.

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Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:55 pm

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Yea Marino and Kelly, and Young, and Elway where the starters of the Air Attack basically.

Kelly never passed over 4,000 yards in his career, yet he is still regarded as one of the best QB's to ever play the game.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:

No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

Rud wrote:

As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.

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ironyisadeadscene

Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:14 am

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and i agree with that. i like kelly. i LOVE doug flutie though!

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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:02 pm

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

I'm going to the Panthers/Bills game on October 25th in Charlotte.

It's going to be my first Pro-Football game.

Been to College and High School, so can't wait.

I'm probably going to that game too.

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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:05 pm

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Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:35 pm

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Patriots are 1-1 now, should be 0-2.

The way to beat Brady and this has been throughout his career, rush and blitz him every down and he'll make costly mistakes, especially now with him having knee surgery last year. He is never going to be the same player again.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:

No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

Rud wrote:

As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.

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CriminallyVu1gar

Post subject: Re: Official NFL Thread

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 10:17 pm

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

Um, no. Brady is probably one of the best QBs in the league against the blitz. Both late game blitzes he had the right read. Blitzing Brady is just asking for him to burn you all night with the hot read. The way to beat him is to get pressure with 4 and 5 rushers and force him to move.

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