Exactly; it makes it less difficult to game plan a defense geared at Brady...

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Exactly and that has been throughout his career, no team could get to him because of how good their offensive line used to be, now that entire team is nowhere near as dominate as it used to be, that offensive line sucks compared to what he used to have.

You pressure Brady and he folds, and has done that for the past 8 years.

the reason he was on target near the end was because the Bills and the shitty prevent, if they would have played defense like they did towards the end of the Bucs game the Patriots wouldn't have scored that easily.

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if you force ANY quarterback, it takes them out of the comfort zone, with mike vick being the exception. that arguement is just stupid. thats like saying mark price sucked at shooting the ball from the outside when someone had a hand in his face. well, no shit. so did everyone else to shoot a basketball with a hand in their face.

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Didn't phase Jim Kelly much, pressure and forcing him just made him get hit.

I believe Marino was the same way, get hit alot while throwing the football, but no one was as much as Jim Kelly took.

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go ahead and ask them where they succeeded the most. they will tell you in the pocket where they can drive off their back foot. enough trying to discredit the best quarterback of the era due to "systems" and "surrounding players." that team was built around brady, and would not have been nearly as successful with a different quarterback. are you going to tell me mannings success was all due to dallas clark, marvin harrison, and reggie wayne next? get real. its sour grapes, and nothing more.

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No, Manning was good because of the offensive line and his intellect of the game.

Brady was also given the time to throw to the slot receiver because of having a great offensive line. And he should still be good without his great offensive line because great QB's are always great, not when they have a great team around them.

Manning is good and has been even with a sometimes bad offensive line or being rushed.

Brady became good because of a system of easy throwing and having great receivers around him for most of his years.

Without Harrison, Clark, or Wayne, Manning wouldn't have his numbers either, having great receivers and a great offensive line can make any QB look good.

Matt Cassel is nothing right now, the reason was because he played behind a good team last year, and now that team is going nowhere with an older than dirt defense, not as good offensive line, and an aged QB who came back from knee surgery. If they win 10 games this year it will be because of pure luck, they should be 0-2 right now.

Miami is going to destroy the Patriots with their wildcat and run game, and the Jets proved their D is way stronger than they've been given credit for, and The Bills showed they can and should have beat them.

The Patriots dynasty is over even with Brady as their QB. He isn't this greatest QB ever or now, like I said earlier, Great QB's will find ways to win even with their team not as good as it was before.

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has cassel even played a game with the chiefs? anyone expecting the chiefs to suddenly be good again after getting a quarterback are morons. great qbs find a way to win right? seems to me brady fit the bill against the bills in week 1. found a way to win. i didnt watch the game sunday, but saying brady is finished being an effective winner and leader and that he can no longer find a way to win is absurd and boarders on blatent incompetence after 2, count them, 2 games. after 3 superbowl wins, its safe to say that brady is a great quarterback who found ways to win. how many superbowls did marino win? or your boy kelly? "great quarterbacks find a way to win" those two are a combined 0-5. brady is 3-1. please, do go on and tell me how those stats are misleading.

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The Bills games was by the Prevent shit they always do and by a fumble, no way did Brady win that game for his team.

He played this week and look terrible. And Why couldn't Brady beat the Jets then?

Manning was able to beat the Dolphins after only having the ball for under 15 minutes of total offense, they still won that game where they should not have won.

Yea yea, the whole Superbowl notion, many great QB's have never won, but that doesn't say they aren't great QB's. Marino and Kelly are better QB's then Brady could ever be, look at regular season stats and playoff stats and not a Superbowl win.

Brady never dominated in any of his Superbowl wins, without Vinatari, every one of those games would have been a loss probably. Real dominate QB's dominate their opponents in those big games.

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thats the dumbest thing youve said in a list of dumb things that could cover a hard covered novel.

the quarterback isnt expected to just win the super bowl, hes supposed to dominate the game in which the two best teams in the league are playing in. yeah, ok man.

brady was given the ball with his team losing, in the dying moments of the game, and he got the job done. thats winning the game for your team. oh, but he didnt cause the fumble, so it doesnt count! bullshit.

why didnt brady beat the jets? i dont know, the jets played better. what, a guy has to win every single game to prove hes great? jeez, pretty high standards. a pitcher has to throw a no hitter every game, or he isnt good enough? ryan miller better win every start, or hes just a decent a goalie? shit happens. i remember a michael jordan, in his prime, shooting, what? 2 for 19 from the field. bad games happen, even for the greats.

your probably right, brady will never be as good as he once was before the injury. your probably right, the patroits arnt that good this year. its called sports. you win some, you lose some. to say that brady isnt very good, because his team might struggle due to personal changes, and that reflects on him, makes 0% sense. and its up to him, and only him, to lift the team to victory week after week, season after season, for his career.

and the superbowl thing just underlines your hypocritism of the whole subject. in one line you say great quarterbacks should not just win, but dominate the superbowl, to discredit brady for his wins. fair enough. high standards. then you say plenty of great quarterbacks have never won a superbowl. fair enough as well, i actually believe this point 100%, but you brought up the superbowl thing, so i went with it, to prove you wrong. but no, you make a statement, then reneg it just like that. so what is it? is brady not great because he didnt dominate the superbowl? or does this rule only apply to him?

i can understand why you dont like the guy. your a bills fan. a big rival of the pats. i get that part. what i dont get is that his achievements dont belong to him, but rather everything else BUT him.

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Basically I just hate how everyone talks about how he is the greatest QB of practically all time, not saying you, but the media and bandwagoners.

But really he is a Good QB with good stats, he had only one really great year. He has a 63% completion rating for his career, which is a good stat. But Brady is not the QB I'd want on my team if the team was average, and this is what I'm trying to say, Brady is a QB who will win games if he is on a pretty damn good team with a great offensive line in front of him. I've seen plenty of Brady to know pressure fucks with his mind more than it should, and this was from Bills games where we were pressuring him and he was folding and when they stopped he threw fine.

I'd much rather have a QB who never loses his cool, like Manning, and even Eli Manning in the Cowboys game looked like his brother's confident self.

The biggest thing is, Brady has never been good under Pressure, especially now with his mobility hampered worse, and he truly isn't that "Great" of a QB looking at his stats in the regular season.

In the Playoffs, I guess he'd be one of the top guys to have on your team.

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now THAT is fine. i can simply disagree with some of that, but respect your position. thats fine. what i dont like is when people discredit what hes done. stats are great, and his stats are very good, but even ill agree they arnt the best of the best. what i think seperates him from the pack is his ability to win. thats my main thing.

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Ok, I guess if you are tied or down by 6 in the fourth Quarter he is the best at leading a comeback.

The best game ever was when they blew that 18 point halftime lead to the Colts, what a great day in the History of Football. Great playoff game.

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I love how he wrote the song about Brady injuring his knee a year before it actually happened.

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wasnt he down by 2 scores in 2 minutes?

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I don't remember, it was 21-3 at halftime and Indy came back to win it like 38-34 or something.

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no, i was talking about the bills game. the indy game you refer to, yeah, that was a huge comeback. but remember, indy couldnt touch the pats in the playoffs for years. it was time for payton to get his dues. hes also spectacular.

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And he didn't sit behind Brian Griese.

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well, lloyds old school. seniority. plus, griese kinda won the national championship for michigan before hand.

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Yea they were down by two scores with around 2 minutes left. They drove down the field because of that Prevent crap, and kicked it off, but it was fumbled so they only had to go 30 yards for the other TD.

Without that fumble, they would have lost the game since the Bills would have found a way to run the clock out. And the Bills had the opportunity to win that game actually, but Owens dropped a crucial pass which would have brought them very close to field-goal range.

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