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Squanto
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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
I guess my thing against it is that you should always be expecting a hit, no matter how legal or illegal it is, in the game.


By that logic, if you're walking down 8 Mile Road in Detroit at 3am, you should be expecting to get shot, and if you do, you're at fault.

It makes ZERO sense.

Players should expect to get hit at any time, this is true. They should NEVER expect to take an elbow to the face.


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it may not make alot of sense, but what happens on the ice, stays on the ice.


What if it hadnt been an elbow, what if he'd used his stick like a baseball bat, hit the dude square in the head/throat, and actually killed him? Would that not warrant legal action?


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why does he have a baseball bat on the ice?

ive said this countless times, this is NO different from tie domis elbow to scott neidermeyer in 2001. the suspension was enough then, its enough now.

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Dino Ciccarelli got a day in jail and an assault conviction for chopping Luke Richardson in 1998.

I'm sure that was an overreach too.


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Suspensions are enough. Unless Cormier is the next Chris Simon, a suspension should have been enough. There's no reason he should be serving jail time for giving a violent hit during a game.

How do you label somebody's intent to kill during a hockey game?

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maybe give him a few weeks or something to scare him into not being a douchebag.

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ironyisadeadscene
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Squanto wrote:
Dino Ciccarelli got a day in jail and an assault conviction for chopping Luke Richardson in 1998.

I'm sure that was an overreach too.


hey, i didnt hand down the punishment. this is another argument in which there is no right or wrong. some people feel one way, others another. and thats ok with me. my view is hockey is hockey, and unless its something like one player holding down another player, using his skate to sever his neck, the punishment should remain within hockey.

some things, in my mind, should be left to the leagues to sort out.

that being said, i understand your opinion, and thats cool with me.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
Squanto wrote:
Dino Ciccarelli got a day in jail and an assault conviction for chopping Luke Richardson in 1998.

I'm sure that was an overreach too.


hey, i didnt hand down the punishment. this is another argument in which there is no right or wrong. some people feel one way, others another. and thats ok with me. my view is hockey is hockey, and unless its something like one player holding down another player, using his skate to sever his neck, the punishment should remain within hockey.

some things, in my mind, should be left to the leagues to sort out.

that being said, i understand your opinion, and thats cool with me.


As do I. I agree with you, IIADS. Hockey should be left to hockey, unless a guy baseball bats his stick into the other guys face, or purposely curb stomps someone with the skate to exposed skin.

Cormier tried to hit with his own body parts. He didn't use his stick or his skate as weapons. He made a vicious hit, and should therefore be suspended by league guidelines. No legal matters.

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An intent to injure off the ice is illegal. It needs to be ON the ice too.

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it is illegal. he got suspended. ;)

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
it is illegal. he got suspended. ;)

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A baseball bat swing to the face still doesn't result in injuries as serious or long-term as a severe concussion. An elbow to the head and the resulting head-to-ice impact is worse than a broken facial bone and stitches.


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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
Cormier tried to hit with his own body parts. He didn't use his stick or his skate as weapons.


He used a body part covered by a hard plastic shell as a weapon. There's no difference. The elbow is already one of the hardest body parts as it is. Covering it with thick, had plastic only makes it just as much, if not more, of a weapon as a stick or a skate.

I disagree that 'hockey should be left to hockey', because it's downright barbaric, and not sport. Someone cheap shots a player, then gets cheap shotted in return, then feels a need to retaliate...etc, etc. Where does it end? Is someone going to have to get killed or permanently disabled before attitudes start to change?

Suspensions are clearly not a deterrent; these incidents keep happening. What is going to have to happen for people to go back to playing good, hard, clean, physical hockey without trying to decapitate other players?


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Squanto wrote:
Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
Cormier tried to hit with his own body parts. He didn't use his stick or his skate as weapons.


He used a body part covered by a hard plastic shell as a weapon. There's no difference. The elbow is already one of the hardest body parts as it is. Covering it with thick, had plastic only makes it just as much, if not more, of a weapon as a stick or a skate.

I disagree that 'hockey should be left to hockey', because it's downright barbaric, and not sport. Someone cheap shots a player, then gets cheap shotted in return, then feels a need to retaliate...etc, etc. Where does it end? Is someone going to have to get killed or permanently disabled before attitudes start to change?

Suspensions are clearly not a deterrent; these incidents keep happening. What is going to have to happen for people to go back to playing good, hard, clean, physical hockey without trying to decapitate other players?

*clears throat*

Ahem...IN BEFORE IRRATIONAL ETC ARGUMENT! :D :D :D

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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
A baseball bat swing to the face still doesn't result in injuries as serious or long-term as a severe concussion. An elbow to the head and the resulting head-to-ice impact is worse than a broken facial bone and stitches.


you should watch the garret stafford/perezhogin clip from the 2004 ahl playoffs. thats scary!

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
why does he have a baseball bat on the ice?



I didnt say he had a baseball bat, I said if he swung his stick like one and hit the dude in a really vulnerable spot.

IF SOMEONE GETS KILLED by an action like that, does that meet your requirement for criminal legal action? Or is that also something that 'stays on the ice'?


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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
A baseball bat swing to the face still doesn't result in injuries as serious or long-term as a severe concussion. An elbow to the head and the resulting head-to-ice impact is worse than a broken facial bone and stitches.


you should watch the garret stafford/perezhogin clip from the 2004 ahl playoffs. thats scary!


Yeah I know, Irony. Potentially getting a crushed larnyx is pretty serious. Either way you just can't discount the damage an elbow can do.

The NHL and especially the junior leagues have been very weak at times at forcing players to respect each other. The law has to be a potential option to step in and wake these cheap shot idiots up.


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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
why does he have a baseball bat on the ice?



I didnt say he had a baseball bat, I said if he swung his stick like one and hit the dude in a really vulnerable spot.

IF SOMEONE GETS KILLED by an action like that, does that meet your requirement for criminal legal action? Or is that also something that 'stays on the ice'?


when that happens, get back to me. that hypothesis will likely never come in to play, and its borderline impossible to happen.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
why does he have a baseball bat on the ice?



I didnt say he had a baseball bat, I said if he swung his stick like one and hit the dude in a really vulnerable spot.

IF SOMEONE GETS KILLED by an action like that, does that meet your requirement for criminal legal action? Or is that also something that 'stays on the ice'?


when that happens, get back to me. that hypothesis will likely never come in to play, and its borderline impossible to happen.


Psh, cop out.


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well, the likelyhood of that scenario happening is 1 in 7.4 million. probably. as long as that doesnt happen, what happens on the ice, stays on the ice.

as ive already said, some people dont agree with that, and thats fine.

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