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Skyline_BNR34
PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:48 am 
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I always say let them do what they want in the offseason. If it's an activity that can keep them in shape let them.

Even working out at home could be dangerous and potentially cause injury, and they have to work out to stay in shape anyways.

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I always say let them do what they want in the offseason. If it's an activity that can keep them in shape let them.

Even working out at home could be dangerous and potentially cause injury, and they have to work out to stay in shape anyways.

The difference is that working out at home is designed to keep his working parts in order so he's finely tuned for the next hockey season. He isn't doing that one the basketball, but rather he is endangering said working parts by engaging in activity that could do the opposite of keep them finely tuned.

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I just feel like it's hard for people like you and me to judge them on what they should do outside of the rink. Pro athletes are probably the most intune with their bodies capabilities than most people on this planet...they know their limitations and they know what they should and shouldn't do. I will trust Pat Kane's, Pat Kaleta's, and Brian Moorman's judgement over their own bodies over what the average person thinks.

Hockey is their main priority, but they have lives outside of their job too, just like everyone else. They have personal trainers guiding them and contracts telling them what they can and can't do, so I'm sure they are well aware of what activities they are allowed to participate in and what activities they shouldn't be allowed to.

But people like you and me don't have that knowledge so I just don't think it's right to make that call on what they should and shouldn't do.

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Well, I've got an opinion and I'm not budging from it.

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Amen, it's their bodies, they know their limits, like we all know our limits of what we can and can't do.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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It's a risk that is up to him to take. I'm sure he knows fully well the implications of getting injured. He still has the rights to do as he pleases.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:16 am 
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worst case scenario. kane tears his ACL. what happens? the hawks wont void his contract, though they may ask for cash back. basically, he gets hurt, and nothing happens.

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Actions pretty much never match up with words.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:13 am 
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what the big deal about a triathalon? I have NO problem with that whatsoever.

I need to see whats constitutes a "risky activity" and the wording of the agreements these players sign. I think Kane is an immature douchebag, but if playing in that tournament isn't a breach of contract I have nothing to say about it.

Once you start trying to not get hurt...you get hurt. Life is pretty much a risky activity. Steve Smith (NFL) broke his arm, and he was supposedly playing flag football with kids at one of his youth football camps. Are we really going to rake him over the coals for that?

I mean hell, you're probably at a greater risk of getting in a car accident than you are suffering an injury that threatens your regular season at the beginning of the offseason playing basketball. Are we going to bar these guys from riding in a vehicle?

I dunno, I'm in the middle. Something are kind of risky, but at the same time some of this is magnified by the fact that it's Kane and we already know he's a bit of an idiot anyways...


On the other hand, let's be smart. Tackle football, Rugby, and any unsanctioned hockey should be blatantly obvious no-nos.

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My sister graduates in about an hour. Wish I had a vuvuzela to bring to the ceremony.

I SAID THAT FIRST!!!! :clap:

Someone at my friend's graduation party had one and he was blowing it . . . even though it wasn't all Bzzbzbzbzb I still would have wanted one just for kicks.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
I think Kane is an immature douchebag, but if playing in that tournament isn't a breach of contract I have nothing to say about it.


Best case scenario, he breaks his jaw and he can't talk next season... :lol:

Here's my take on it. They are all 18-35 year old men, who are plenty old enough to make their own decisions. If they want to engage in risky activity that could wind them up hurt, well that's their choice. Sports aren't the only things in their lives. This ranks right up there with a former member of the boards suggesting that the Sabres party too much, and need bed checks, and to be babysat. Well tough titties if they like to party, because the organizations dont own them like slaves. Sure they make a shit ton of money doing what they do, but if they get hurt; or do something of the nature, then fine; thats their choice.

Gotta let people live their lives; I understand they obligations they have to their job, but really think about it. If you job said you can't have sex, for fear you're gonna wake up to tired to go to work, what are you gonna say?

I know that it's a big of a different scenario, but in all honesty; I know that 99.9% of us would tell our jobs to blow us...and that'd be just fine...

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It is a very different scenario

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So, are all of you saying that you support Ben Rothelisberger (did I spell that right? His name is a bitch) riding his motorcycle without a helmet?

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I honestly don't care that he rode without his helmet on...I think he got nailed by Karma more than anything.

I mean, Sakic ended his career with a snow blower injury...are we to ban snow blowers from NHL players houses too?

If someone gets hurt living their lives, then so be it. If Kane suggested that he wanted to go and take up base jumping without a parachute I'd take issue, if he wants to go play some ball with the boys, then fuck it, hope he catches an elbow in the face.

It's not an inherently risky behavior to play basketball, and he's not breaking any laws, unless the clerk shorts him on his change from the basketball he buys.

Just like Rothisberger, he wasn't breaking a law by riding without a helmet, and riding a motorcycle isn't inherently risky, as millions of them are ridden around the world everyday, and those people dont break their faces.

Like I said, let them live their lives. They are hockey players, but they aren't only hockey players.

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So, are all of you saying that you support Ben Rothelisberger (did I spell that right? His name is a bitch) riding his motorcycle without a helmet?


was he within the laws of his state? if so, yes.

he was just playing in a 3 on 3 basketball tournament. one so popular, its almost a right of passage. you aint no one till you play the macker. not that big a deal.

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7. The Player and the Club recognize and agree that the Player's participation in other sports
may impair or destroy his ability and skill as a hockey Player. Accordingly the Player agrees
that he will not during the period of this SPC or during any period when he is obligated under
this SPC to enter into a further SPC with the Club engage or participate in football, baseball,
softball, hockey, lacrosse, boxing, wrestling or other athletic sport without the written consent of
the Club, which consent will not be unreasonably withheld.


The Blackhawks must have signed off on Kane playing. It's required as part of the SPC.

It's not that difficult to play a sport and keep yourself reasonably safe from injury. I'll give the athlete the benefit of the doubt that they know what they're doing.


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I can see both sides of the coin.

If I was the owner of a sports team who invested millions of dollars into a player that people came to see, then I would be a bit reluctant engaging in activities where they can be injured and miss time. It's a business.

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7. The Player and the Club recognize and agree that the Player's participation in other sports
may impair or destroy his ability and skill as a hockey Player. Accordingly the Player agrees
that he will not during the period of this SPC or during any period when he is obligated under
this SPC to enter into a further SPC with the Club engage or participate in football, baseball,
softball, hockey, lacrosse, boxing, wrestling or other athletic sport without the written consent of
the Club, which consent will not be unreasonably withheld.


The Blackhawks must have signed off on Kane playing. It's required as part of the SPC.

It's not that difficult to play a sport and keep yourself reasonably safe from injury. I'll give the athlete the benefit of the doubt that they know what they're doing.

Now, I didn't post what I'm about to type anywhere (that I know of), but in talking to Alex last night I did tell him I'd be OK with it if the Blackhawks signed off on him participating in the Gut Smacker. Given that clause, I'm gonna assume they did and my stance on the situation is lessened.

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mechaphil wrote:
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7. The Player and the Club recognize and agree that the Player's participation in other sports
may impair or destroy his ability and skill as a hockey Player. Accordingly the Player agrees
that he will not during the period of this SPC or during any period when he is obligated under
this SPC to enter into a further SPC with the Club engage or participate in football, baseball,
softball, hockey, lacrosse, boxing, wrestling or other athletic sport without the written consent of
the Club, which consent will not be unreasonably withheld.


The Blackhawks must have signed off on Kane playing. It's required as part of the SPC.

It's not that difficult to play a sport and keep yourself reasonably safe from injury. I'll give the athlete the benefit of the doubt that they know what they're doing.

Now, I didn't post what I'm about to type anywhere (that I know of), but in talking to Alex last night I did tell him I'd be OK with it if the Blackhawks signed off on him participating in the Gut Smacker. Given that clause, I'm gonna assume they did and my stance on the situation is lessened.


I like the thought that the Bhawks okayed his participation, but I doubt Darcy is ever going to give us this information. I will be shocked if he gives us any news about a player that isn't on our team. I just have a feeling he will fail to inform us of general NHL news in the offseason like usual. Sorry, but I just have no faith in the guy at all!

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I could reeeaaally go for a dip in the Atlantic Ocean right now... in Maine... Wells Beach. That cold water would feel glorious, and the ocean > anywhere else when it comes to swimming.

Haven't been in three years, and the rest of my immediate family hasn't been in eight. D:

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