That's not what OP is saying - he's saying Pommer positioned himself as such with the thought line "Hmm maybe Super Nintendo Hjalmers will hit me from behind like a boss and I'll draw the PP".

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Are people also forgetting that this hit was illegal because Pominville didn't have the puck? He shouldn't have been bracing for a hit because he didn't have possesion of the puck. Hjalmarsson made a decision to hit him, and it was a stupid one.

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That's the big point the trolling OP is choosing to ignore...ANY collision of any kind between Hjalmers and Pommer would have been illegal contact because Pommer didn't have possession.

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Phil, nowhere does the powerplay say ANYTHING about trying to draw a PP. He said that he may have kept his back to the situation to discourage Hjalmarsson from hitting him from behind, i.e., not getting hit at all because it's illegal. One could even go as far to say that since Pominville didn't have the puck, he wasn't anticipating the hit even though he saw Hjalmarsson coming. No one is saying Pominville put himself in the position to draw a penalty. That one is getting pulled out of your ass.

You're drawing false conclusions from his post.

I'm not the only one who came to that conclusion. And what the hell else would "taking full advantage of a rule" (sic) mean?

EDIT: He claims he's watched the tape. He claims we haven't watched the tape. We've all watched it and it's clear and plain as day that Pominville is struck in the numbers, not from the side as OP claims. Dude is trolling.

EDIT AGAIN: We also see Pommer never turned his body or even adjusted it. Did he even see Hjalmers coming? Doesn't even look like it. Besides, at the moment he moved his head, would he even have seen Hjalmers? Dude skated half the zone just to hit a prone, puck-less Pommer.

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As a D-man and having played in many spectrums of the game (Ice/Roller/Street etc...) I can say that I've taken runs at guy's that were in the play and didn't have the puck in control. But the contact was shoulder to shoulder, or the guy has known I was going to attempt to eliminate him from the play front on. Skill level aside, when you're baring down on a player, you do have the option to either finish your hit or have the understanding that the opposition does NOT have control of the puck which could result in you either getting ejected from the game because of the hit, or sitting for a long period of time in the box.

I've seen this same kind of hit either in rec league or in the NHL and cannot stand when they take place. It's gutless, spineless and there's not room for it in the league. So what if Pominville seen him skating towards his general direction? Is he supposed to think that because he is in the general vicinity of the play that he's going to be blasted between the numbers head first into the boards? No, because the common rule of the game is that you will not take liberties on thy fellow player. Hzjlkhnsgjlzjfaj made a very big mistake and besides sitting for 2 games, he needs to be taught a lesson. And I agree with Jay ( I believe he is the one who said it before) that if he is to be clocked, or Kane or SOMEONE in the next game between us and the Slackhawks is going to take a beat-down, make sure the hit is clean and within the books. Prove that our boys don't need to step outside the rules in order to play the game tough and competitive, win or lose.

I know one thing, I hope somone puts this bag of shit in his place.

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Lord fuck this shot just rots me

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He's a middling AHL player who had the good fortune of a drunk arbitrator. - The Squanto re: Tim Kennedy

i see the 2.... i dont see the 9.... if it was a hit from the side, wouldn't i see the 9?

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"take full advantage of the rule"

Yeah, that you can't hit from behind, otherwise you'll get suspended. The OP is saying that Pominville may have anticipated Hjalmarsson coming in his direction, but was taking the chance not to avoid the hit because he was not going to hit him illegally. No mention was ever made of trying to a draw a penalty. Obviously no matter how it is diced, the hit is dirty and illegal, regardless if Pominville saw it coming or not. No one is disputing that, but the OP is just mentioning that Pominville may have taken a gamble and lost.

He said look at the tape again with an open mind regarding what he was saying and then proceeded to say (not directly quoted), that if you didn't watch the hit personally, it's not as straightforward as it seems. Powerplay never said that no one here watched the hit. You're taking it a bit too personally.

I think it's cool you're playing devil's advocate for OP, Beth, but the fact that we're discussing whether or not Pommer actually may have thought "Aw shit if he hits me I'm fucked OH WELL gonna go for the puck anyways, it's not like I'm gonna get boarded" is the epitome of fucking retarded.

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I'm not playing devil's advocate. I think you're completely missing his point.

It wasn't an attitude that "If I get hit, oh well." It was a, "this is going to be an illegal hit and I don't have the puck. He is not coming over here to drill me into the boards." So Pominville may have seen him coming but did not react because he didn't feel he was in any danger.

I don't think it's that far stretched.

I also don't agree with it. I just think the point is being missed here so the discussion is completely askew.

I don't think Pommers saw Hjalmarsson at all. Pretty sure he was looking for an outlet pass.


I don't know about the rest of you, but I am not an owl. When I turn my head to the side, I cannot see 5:45.

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I agree with that. People have just been speculating Pominville saw him coming when he turned his head. Really, this isn't about disputing the dirtiness of the hit or that it makes it any better because Pominville saw him or that no one on these boards actually saw the hit.

Yeah, I don't think Pominville saw Hjalmarsson either. But these kind of hits are always going to be argued and beaten to death. People are always going to post screen caps and photos, and see it in their own point of view. So whatever.

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I think the fact he got hit the way he did is proof positive he had no idea what was coming.
That's just me though.

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I agree. I just can't get behind the logic that if a player sees that another player is about to hit him illegally, that he isn't going to brace for it because he thinks the rules will protect him. Come on...we have seen it enough to know that players aren't going to follow the rules.

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Hockey Night in Buffalo

I stated that in my own posts.

I think that anybody's natural reaction would be to avoid or brace oneself from the impact of the hit. I don't think anyone would just assume that the asshole coming full speed at him is going to do the right thing and avoid the collision. Better safe than sorry.

I see where the other side is coming from, but I just can't agree with it.

Actually, YOU are incorrect.

The poster has my point EXACTLY as I intended it.

What part of "Pominville made a gamble" do you not understand?