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slesh
 Post subject: OTT vs BUF 10/22
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:16 pm 
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Well, the home woes continue, along with the start of the season woes. I'll give the benefit of the doubt on a couple of those home games in the 4 game stretch last week. But it is becoming increasingly apparant that changes are needed desperately for this line up.

Lets go through the motions again.
After a good game against Atlanta, this team showed up at home and out shot their opponent by a mountainous amount.
Yet, the result is the same as most this early season, a loss.

Alot of good in this game, make no mistake about it.
First off, getting pucks to the net, they did this.
Lets go into the transition game I often speak of, outside of the first 12 minutes of the game, transition from defensive zone to nuetral zone looked like a mixed bag.
Once again, they got hemmed in their own zone way to often to be considered a Cup Contender.
Once they did transition, their time on attack in the offensive zone, outside of a few moments, was none existent in the offensive zone.
Puck control was down right atricous, as usual.

But hey, there has been a Connolly sighting (YA!). 2 goals in one game, wow........................................
Blind Squirrel meet nut, twice in one game.
Other wise, a completely terrible finishing game around the net. My hats off to Ottawa's goaltender, but no excuses.
Passing was horrible, finnishing (which SNIPERS) are supposed to do didn't exist.
Montador (even with the penalty at the end of the game) was by far the best puck mover tonight, which is down right fucking sad, considering he is a 3-4 D man at best.

Vanek, Roy, Stafford line, the same results we've seen the prior 3 seasons.
Poor Ennis and Gerbe, stuck on lines with complete and utter waste of roster spaces.
Grier, Nieds? Please, these guys are AHLers at best, AND THATS AT BEST.

And the lack of action from DARCY MOTHERFUCKIN REGIER continues.

This may be one of the longest seasons I've had to endour as a Sabres Fan. It is fucking frustrating to blatantly see what is needed and have management (Ya you, Darcy Cocksucking Regier) continue to piss on my boots and try and tell me its raining.

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 Post subject: Re: OTT vs BUF 10/22
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I thought in general that Vanek worked very hard around the net, just didn't get rewarded for it.


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The first few minutes were good, the next 37 were bad. It was a good effort in the 3rd but too little, too late. I don't know that there is any huge move that can make a difference for them. They just have to bring a boring road game mentality to their home games.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:24 pm 
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Squanto wrote:
I thought in general that Vanek worked very hard around the net, just didn't get rewarded for it.

I agree Squanto, the team played a game, but the end result is what counts.
I cannot stress this enough, home game points are "critical". Vanek is not the problem, his linemates are in my humble opinion.
You, and many others, know how I feel about this.

Come on man, lets just call a spade a spade, as I often say.
Even you have to admit there wasn't much smart puck control play in the offensive zone tonight, or most other games this season, minus a half dozen players.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:26 pm 
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No disagreement with your assessment. Just thought I'd add my observation about Vanek before the Vanek haters came in to complain about his contract or something.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:29 pm 
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slesh wrote:
Well, the home woes continue, along the start of the season woes. I'll give the benefit of the doubt on a couple of those home games in the 4 game stretch last week. But it is becoming increasingly apparant that changes are needed desperately for this line up.

Lets go through the motions again.
After a good game against Atlanta, this team showed up at home and out shot their opponent by a mountainous amount.
Yet, the result is the same as most this early season, a loss.

Alot of good in this game, make no mistake about it.
First off, getting pucks to the net, they did this.
Lets go into the transition game I often speak of, outside of the first 12 minutes of the game, transition from defensive zone to nuetral zone looked like a mixed bag.
Once again, they got hemmed in their own zone way to often to be considered a Cup Contender.
Once they did transition, their time attack, outside of a few moments, was none existent in the offensive zone.
Puck control was down right atricous, as usual.

But hey, there has been a Connolly sighting (YA!). 2 goals in one game, wow........................................
Blind Squirrel meet nut, twice in one game.
Other wise, a completely terrible finishing game around the net. My hats off to Ottawa's goaltender, but no excuses.
Passing was horrible, finnishing (which SNIPERS) are supposed to do didn't exist.
Montador (even with the penalty at the end of the game) was by far the best puck mover tonight, which is down right fucking sad, considering he is a 3-4 D man at best.

Vanek, Roy, Stafford line, the same results we've seen the prior 3 seasons.
Poor Ennis and Gerbe, stuck on lines with complete and utter waste of roster spaces.
Grier, Nieds? Please, these guys are AHLers at best, AND THATS AT BEST.

And the lack of action from DARCY MOTHERFUCKIN REGIER continues.

This may be one of the longest seasons I've had to endour as a Sabres Fan. It is fucking frustrating to blatantly see what is needed and have management (Ya you, Darcy Cocksucking Regier) continue to piss on my boots and try and tell me its raining.


How do you know it's Darcy? How do you know its not Quinn handcuffing Darcy? Quinn has already imposed his budget... How do you know its not Ruff saying he can win with these guys? Darcy used to make moves, than Quinn came along....

I wasn't able to see the game but it does sound like a bit more of the same... need a winger for Vanek and Roy... thats been 3 years and waiting...

As for Grier and Neids... maybe its to much of the same type of player... but how do you up grade that position now?

And the puck moving D man, again not a lot out there and im not sure the answer....

I do agree that im not a fan seeing Ennis and Gerbe on the 3/4 lines... they need to be in the top 6 i think... but im certainly no hockey authority.... would you move one of them? Id hate to, but how do you fix this team now?

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 Post subject: Re: OTT vs BUF 10/22
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:36 pm 
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gr8daygo wrote:
How do you know it's Darcy? How do you know its not Quinn handcuffing Darcy? Quinn has already imposed his budget... How do you know its not Ruff saying he can win with these guys? Darcy used to make moves, than Quinn came along....

I wasn't able to see the game but it does sound like a bit more of the same... need a winger for Vanek and Roy... thats been 3 years and waiting...

As for Grier and Neids... maybe its to much of the same type of player... but how do you up grade that position now?

And the puck moving D man, again not a lot out there and im not sure the answer....

I do agree that im not a fan seeing Ennis and Gerbe on the 3/4 lines... they need to be in the top 6 i think... but im certainly no hockey authority.... would you move one of them? Id hate to, but how do you fix this team now?

Darcy Regier holds the title and position of "GENERAL MANAGAER" of the "BUFFALO SABRES" and as such, the responsibility of the product I see on the ice, game in and game out, is his and his alone.

If any interference is being run by the front office or ownership higher up than his position, he should walk away, its that simple.
The reality is, Regier, as GM has total control over every aspect of this team with regards to coaching and player personnel decisions.

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 Post subject: Re: OTT vs BUF 10/22
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:48 pm 
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slesh wrote:
gr8daygo wrote:
How do you know it's Darcy? How do you know its not Quinn handcuffing Darcy? Quinn has already imposed his budget... How do you know its not Ruff saying he can win with these guys? Darcy used to make moves, than Quinn came along....

I wasn't able to see the game but it does sound like a bit more of the same... need a winger for Vanek and Roy... thats been 3 years and waiting...

As for Grier and Neids... maybe its to much of the same type of player... but how do you up grade that position now?

And the puck moving D man, again not a lot out there and im not sure the answer....

I do agree that im not a fan seeing Ennis and Gerbe on the 3/4 lines... they need to be in the top 6 i think... but im certainly no hockey authority.... would you move one of them? Id hate to, but how do you fix this team now?

Darcy Regier holds the title and position of "GENERAL MANAGAER" of the "BUFFALO SABRES" and as such, the responsibility of the product I see on the ice, game in and game out, is his and his alone.

If any interference is being run by the front office or ownership higher up than his position, he should walk away, its that simple.
The reality is, Regier, as GM has total control over every aspect of this team with regards to coaching and player personnel decisions.


Thats where i have to disagree with you a little bit... I think the mighty quinn wields more power than we know about... and the product on the ice should be a collaborative effort between the coach and GM (without "help" or restrictions from "owners")... the GM should not be in a vacuum apart from what the coach needs and wants.... And I think Darcy and Ruff are by far two of the best in the game and I think Quinn and upper (higher than Darcy) has semi-neutered the GM and Coach... And if we ever do lose Darcy/Ruff ... well... just go watch the Buffalo Bills because thats what we will have... this team is as competitive as they are en-spite of ownership and because of Darcy/Ruff... and if Quinn would take a f-ing walk and let the GM and Coach do what they need to I think most of the issues we see would have been solved...

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 Post subject: Re: OTT vs BUF 10/22
PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:58 pm 
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gr8daygo wrote:
slesh wrote:
gr8daygo wrote:
How do you know it's Darcy? How do you know its not Quinn handcuffing Darcy? Quinn has already imposed his budget... How do you know its not Ruff saying he can win with these guys? Darcy used to make moves, than Quinn came along....

I wasn't able to see the game but it does sound like a bit more of the same... need a winger for Vanek and Roy... thats been 3 years and waiting...

As for Grier and Neids... maybe its to much of the same type of player... but how do you up grade that position now?

And the puck moving D man, again not a lot out there and im not sure the answer....

I do agree that im not a fan seeing Ennis and Gerbe on the 3/4 lines... they need to be in the top 6 i think... but im certainly no hockey authority.... would you move one of them? Id hate to, but how do you fix this team now?

Darcy Regier holds the title and position of "GENERAL MANAGAER" of the "BUFFALO SABRES" and as such, the responsibility of the product I see on the ice, game in and game out, is his and his alone.

If any interference is being run by the front office or ownership higher up than his position, he should walk away, its that simple.
The reality is, Regier, as GM has total control over every aspect of this team with regards to coaching and player personnel decisions.


Thats where i have to disagree with you a little bit... I think the mighty quinn wields more power than we know about... and the product on the ice should be a collaborative effort between the coach and GM (without "help" or restrictions from "owners")... the GM should not be in a vacuum apart from what the coach needs and wants.... And I think Darcy and Ruff are by far two of the best in the game and I think Quinn and upper (higher than Darcy) has semi-neutered the GM and Coach... And if we ever do lose Darcy/Ruff ... well... just go watch the Buffalo Bills because thats what we will have... this team is as competitive as they are en-spite of ownership and because of Darcy/Ruff... and if Quinn would take a f-ing walk and let the GM and Coach do what they need to I think most of the issues we see would have been solved...

But the Coaching input you speak of is just another aspect of the GM's position. Look, the coaching staff reports to the head coach their needs for their specific responsibilites, in turn, the head coach reports to the GM what needs the roster has and the GM ADDRESSES those needs according to the current situation the team is in.

For example: The Power Play Coach (which should be writing fucking books at this point and time for needs) reports to Lindy that he needs a PPQB, not only that, but the system onthe PP should have these personnel to maximize potential success. The coach, then reports to the GM (Darcy NO BALLS Regier) any additional needs to achieve success on the PP (like a PPQB Hmmmmm.........Kaberle comes to mine, or how about a 2nd unit [really a 2nd scoring line] CENTER).

And the list goes on, but Regier calls up players from Portland (not Lindy), Regier initiates and finalizes trades (Not Lindy), Regier signs FA's (not Lindy)......................Well, you get my point.

And on a side note, bring up Luke Adams for gods sake, he can't do any worse than the rest of these fucking losers.

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We have almost 5 million in cap space because of an imposed salary cap.

I know for sure Darcy is not the guy who imposed that, so who did, because whoever did is the one ruining the game for us loyal Fans of the Buffalo Sabres.

We spend that extra 5 million, we could of had a winger, we could have gotten Gagne, we could have gotten something to fill a spot.

Why are we a team with a core locked up that is not spending to the cap. Regier when given free reign to spend will do such a thing.

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Slesh, phasing Ennis and Gerbe out there with big body bangers gives them more room to maneuver, less defensive zone concerns, and ultimately more touches with the puck. For the team, it creates viable scoring threats on all 4 lines. It's brilliant, and it's not a liability at all, it's an asset to the team.

Vanek has to get it going, it's that simple. And it would help if Stafford would get on the same page as his line mates, he's such a buzz kill in the o-zone.

They Sabres might end up with a top 5 draft pick this summer! :-D

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I am almost ready to see a top 5 pick for this years draft, anyone else??

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Lackluster. I watch other games of various teams and they all seem to be "trying" so much harder. I just don't see the want in these guys whatsoever. That's my biggest issue. It's one thing to lose, but I don't see the hustle.

The breakout is decrepid. I mean decrepid. It has been for a lonnnnnnnnng time. Holy crap. Run a decent forecheck against the Sabres and you can call it a game.

I just don't know what to say. In hindsight, I can't believe we won as many games last year as we did. Miller, I guess.

Buffalo Sabres and Stanley Cup should not be mentioned in the same sentence for the rest of the season. It's laughable.

I hope to the Big Guy in the Sky I'm wrong, but sadly probably not :(


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Rivet- Terrible captain for the fact that he's old as dirt and fucking blows now.

Connolly- get the fuck out of here already. The two goals he had were lucky, plain and simple. Especially the second, not sure if the first was tipped? It should've been stopped as well. Guy has no physical game whatsoever, never hustles. When is the last time you saw him win a puck race? When's the last time he even entered himself into a puck race?? lol. Remember the playoffs last year? I'm done with this one...

Myers- kids lost it completely this year so far. I can handle it, it's a sophmore slump, whatever. But the FACT is, he's been a liability thus far.

Nieds- hang up the skates dude. You hustled us for one more paycheck, good on ya.

Grier- Fuck, I love you bro. But it's time to hang em up too. You, Nieds, and Grier should start planning your retirement party last offseason.

Kaleta- did you forget how to hit? Where is your energy?

Hecht- I've never liked this guy. He has zero hands. The vast majority of his shots are from terrible angles, often times from the backhand. Once in a while one goes in.

Fuck.

McCormick and Monty, thank you. yall have been our best assets thus far and not surprisingly the hardest workers. You too Roy.


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Excellent points made by everyone so far.
I am as frustrated as all of you are. Squanto, you have the patience of a saint, sir.
Me, I want a Stanley Cup celebration in downtown Buffalo, hell, I'll buy every Junkies member their first 5 drinks at the parade if it ever happened.

But, alas, it is what it is. I need to start brushing up on the Serinity Prayer.
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to accept the things I cannot change;
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slesh wrote:
Excellent points made by everyone so far.
I am as frustrated as all of you are. Squanto, you have the patience of a saint, sir.
Me, I want a Stanley Cup celebration in downtown Buffalo, hell, I'll buy every Junkies member their first 5 drinks at the parade if it ever happened.

But, alas, it is what it is. I need to start brushing up on the Serinity Prayer.
"God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference."

:obscene-drinkingcheers: I'll be the first to take you up on that offer!!!!

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Slesh, phasing Ennis and Gerbe out there with big body bangers gives them more room to maneuver, less defensive zone concerns, and ultimately more touches with the puck. For the team, it creates viable scoring threats on all 4 lines. It's brilliant, and it's not a liability at all, it's an asset to the team.

Vanek has to get it going, it's that simple. And it would help if Stafford would get on the same page as his line mates, he's such a buzz kill in the o-zone.

They Sabres might end up with a top 5 draft pick this summer! :-D

Ah, but here in lay the problem with your theory on putting them with big bodies.
The big body guys have to be able to do certain things in order for Gerbe or Ennis to be successful.
They have to get open first off, both players are too slow, so is Goose in my opinion.
They have to go to the front of the net, I don't see it nearly often enough.
They have to be able to make smart passes that find Ennis or Gerbe, they don't, they just give the puck away most times.
They have to be able to maintain control of the puck along the boards and down low, behind the net, thats a laugh at this point and time. (which reminds me, I saw both Nieds and Grier last night get the puck taken from them by 1 Ottawa player, pathetic)
They have to be able to maintain speed and get into position on the transition game from the nuetral zone to the offensive zone while Ennis or Gerbe are carrying the puck in, non-existent.

And the list goes on.

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slesh wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
Slesh, phasing Ennis and Gerbe out there with big body bangers gives them more room to maneuver, less defensive zone concerns, and ultimately more touches with the puck. For the team, it creates viable scoring threats on all 4 lines. It's brilliant, and it's not a liability at all, it's an asset to the team.

Vanek has to get it going, it's that simple. And it would help if Stafford would get on the same page as his line mates, he's such a buzz kill in the o-zone.

They Sabres might end up with a top 5 draft pick this summer! :-D

Ah, but here in lay the problem with your theory on putting them with big bodies.
The big body guys have to be able to do certain things in order for Gerbe or Ennis to be successful.
They have to get open first off, both players are too slow, so is Goose in my opinion.
They have to go to the front of the net, I don't see it nearly often enough.
They have to be able to make smart passes that find Ennis or Gerbe, they don't, they just give the puck away most times.
They have to be able to maintain control of the puck along the boards and down low, behind the net, thats a laugh at this point and time. (which reminds me, I saw both Nieds and Grier last night get the puck taken from them by 1 Ottawa player, pathetic)
They have to be able to maintain speed and get into position on the transition game from the nuetral zone to the offensive zone while Ennis or Gerbe are carrying the puck in, non-existent.

And the list goes on.


Coach Ruff can't go out there and play for them (although I think he could do better on some shifts), all he can do is put them in the best possible positions to succeed. Which of course, is always a work in progress. The checking lines went from having zero scoring punch to having a tangible threat on them. When they play well, it shows.

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SabresFanInNebraska wrote:

Kaleta- did you forget how to hit? Where is your energy?

http://video.sabres.nhl.com/videocenter ... 8&fr=false

Kaleta's fine.

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They'll be fine. Wait until these guys get it together.

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