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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:40 pm 
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I'd be all for signing Richards if he goes on the market :D ...he'd make our PP own. Myers and Leopold at the points, Richards on the half wall, Roy in the corner and Vanek in front.



they use Richards primarily at the point in Philly, even though he doesn't have an overpowering shot. Of course I'm sure he could figure it out.

I meant Brad. He's due to be a UFA this summer.



Oh yeah he would be a nice addition to the team. depending on what Myers does next season he's going to get a huge raise too, so I hope they don't have to bid too high for BR IF they get him.

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I'd take Richards, then Roy can be the 2nd line center. There, he can absolutely dominate.

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Derek Roy would be a nasty 2nd line center. He's already a very good first line center. At least as of this year until he got injured.

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And we would be able to put Roy and Ennis back together. They won whever they play on the same line. Imagine next year though when Ennis has more experience and off-season training and he's a better player :)

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They've played simpler, I don't think Roy was always that bad on the PP, but whenever Connolly goes out there I'm still scared shitless with him.


Yep, as simple as keeping your skates moving and keep yourself alive during the play. The Sabres stood around and seemed like they wouldn't shoot the puck until a penalty killer was in a shooting lane. If I'm Vanek why the heck would I want to sit in front of the net and get hacked when the shot or pass isn't going to get through?

Connolly...agreed. Pass, shoot...heck dance a jig, just do something except chicken out and make that late shot or pass that nets nothing.

Its just when Roy tries to put on his "Superman" cape and tries to skate past 3 and even all 4 penalty killers .... and the resulting turnover costing us either 25 or more seconds off the PP or a shorthanded chance against.

Gee Derek Roy up the center of the ice on the PP...if I'm a penalty killer I know where the puck is going because he's not going to pass and he's not going to dump it in. Oh wait, I take that back he'll make one of those stupid drop passes. Sure it works every so often...

Is Roy a good player...yep, does he have any accountability for his mess ups? Nope, because there's somehow this mentality that we somehow can't win without him on the ice. That seems to be changing.

But overall I think asking Roy to be a 1st line center is asking too much. Look around the league at the really good top line centers. I just don't see Roy in that category. There's nothing wrong with this....as a 2nd line center...he'd be and was great.

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His last four years. Sounds like a 1st line center to me.

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To address what Old Time Hockey said, I think at first Roy didn't have much accountability. He tried to do things too much himself. But, I think after the playoff disappointment, he finally chose to sack up and start playing like a leader on and off the ice. His play was vastly improved in both ends, I thought. I saw a lot of impressive back checking and penalty killing from Roy. It's very unfortunate that he went down with that injury, because he was really starting to look like that dependable 1st line center we need.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
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His last four years. Sounds like a 1st line center to me.


Really?

Its not just about points. It about creating and getting points in key situations and leading the team. Where was he in the playoffs? Can he take those bonehead plays out of his game for a season? Then I might go with him being a 1st line center who doesn't make me cringe more than a top line center should.

If I have to sit in TD Bank North Garden and watch him try to skate though all 4 penalty killers one more time, can he stop the bad turnover that leads to a scoring chance...ugh.

He's looked good this year...but I can't go there about him.

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sabresrocker56 wrote:
To address what Old Time Hockey said, I think at first Roy didn't have much accountability. He tried to do things too much himself. But, I think after the playoff disappointment, he finally chose to sack up and start playing like a leader on and off the ice. His play was vastly improved in both ends, I thought. I saw a lot of impressive back checking and penalty killing from Roy. It's very unfortunate that he went down with that injury, because he was really starting to look like that dependable 1st line center we need.


Until he leaves the bonehead plays out of his game for an entire season...I just can't go there. He still thinks he can skate through all 4 penalty killers.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
69 points
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His last four years. Sounds like a 1st line center to me.



That's actually not very impressive to me. And not just because I come from the Lemieux, Crosby, Cullen, Francis, Malkin neck of the woods. You need about 20% more production than that to call a player a "good" #1 center.

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I agree with OTH on the assertion that Roy is not a top line guy. 1.5 line center, perhaps, but not a top line center by any means.

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I stand corrected, when compared to top line centers in the NHL, Roy is above average and comes in tenth.

(Note compared to TOP LINE centers, not all centers. There are teams Pitt, SJ, Van, etc. that have multiple centers better than roy)

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Here's something from TSN to back up my point...

BROSSARD, Que. -- The return of defenceman James Wisniewski from a bout of strep throat may be just what the Montreal Canadiens' luckless power play needs heading into a key meeting with the Boston Bruins.

The Canadiens are 0-for-22 with the man advantage over their last five games, including two over the weekend without Wisniewski, their best shooter from the point.

"He brings a different dimension, for sure -- that threat of a shot," captain Brian Gionta said Tuesday. "Regardless if he takes one or not, you have to respect it."

"But the games where we weren't scoring power-play goals, it looked like we were getting a lot of chances. It's just that the puck wasn't going in, so if we keep things simple, get more point shots, hopefully it will open the floodgates."

Even though it's about the Canadiens, it's the same issue and the same solution. On a side note, this is another reason why I want to sign Wisniewski in the summer, especially if Montador leaves.


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