Probably the most insightful post in this thread.........

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AND to get back on topic. This thread wasnt created for Debate, it was created so Christians could come in and share beliefs and talk about christian values.

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Unfortunately, that's what it's turned into. It's your deal, so I'll let you make the call if it should continue or not.

one more couldn't hurt
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18)

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When I was a boy I spoke as a boy, I understood as a boy, and I thought as a boy; when I became a man I took that boy outside and shot him.

As far as I know, we're discussing bible passages... isn't that was the thread was for?

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When I was a boy I spoke as a boy, I understood as a boy, and I thought as a boy; when I became a man I took that boy outside and shot him.

Touche good sir; well played!

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-Bowler, imitating Freddy Blassie, at the very first M & G.

I'm going to bed now; and i'll leave the thread to rest as well.

I just figured we could have a discussion on biblical passages, if thats not what everyones interested in, then I'll leave


toodalooo

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When I was a boy I spoke as a boy, I understood as a boy, and I thought as a boy; when I became a man I took that boy outside and shot him.

I have my bible open right now on my lap, and What I am seeing is this.

Matthew Chapter 5:17 (the same verse as what you posted in the beginning)


"Do not think I have come to abolish the law (this goes back to what you interpret as law, not the whole old testiment) or the Prophets, I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. (here Jesus is talking about the prophecy's in the old testiment that talks about his coming and doing good deeds) I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of pen, will by any means disappear from the law until everything is accomplished ( There, Law again, not Entire old testiment as you say, and by everything is accomplished meaning all the prophecies about Jesus being fulfilled) Anyone who breaks on of the least of these commandments and teaches other to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you the that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

That there is the entire passage. So Where are you getting that Jesus said that the law is the entire old testiment? He says Commandments.... as stated in one of my other posts, People were supposed to follow the Ten Commandments as surpreme Law.

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Indeed pants I did say that, But not what I meant, but I do respect your opinions.

More or less what I meant was like a Bible Study almost, where you pick a bible verse and discuss it. I should have worded my original post better. That is indeed my fault, if you wish, we can continue our debate through PM's, I have no problem with that, its entirely up to you.

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What version of the bible are you getting this from. Because its going to get kinda confusing as we proceed lo But i'm sure we can work it out. But I had already posted this, and it goes back to. Is Jesus referring to the Commandments? I certainly believe so. Because the Ten Commandments were supposed to be the supreme law for the Israelites.

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Rutledge, A+ on having the courage to come onto a secular message board where there is a lot of hostility towards Christians, and have a whole topic dedicated towards it. I've thought about it so many times, and I deeply commend you for doing so. I routinely pray for people on this board, but I've never had the cajones to step up and start a thread for it. Awesome, awesome job to you.

That being said, it's really easy to pick and choose passages to fit your belief system, or lack thereof. It's when you approach the topic of Christianity with an open mind and heart that you really can begin to understand and accept it as the true word of the living God. I can say with a firm stance that the Bible is holy, God is real, and God reveals Himself through it. If you read the Bible and not just cherry pick verses, you'll see the nature of God is not any of the adjectives Pants described Him as.

People are going to believe what they want and find some way to support it through the Bible. But Christianity is more than that. It's a REAL, THRIVING, deeply powerful relationship with God. I can't stress the concept of REAL enough. I wasn't a real person before I found God. I was a slave, and my chains were cut through the freedom of Christ; not the bondage of serving Him. And it's a gift that comes anytime, to any person, and it's what life's all about and made for.

I probably won't spend a ton of time in this thread because I can already see it spiraling out of control by hostile people who won't take the time to really understand what it is they're condemning. 1 Corinthians 1:18 pretty much sums it up: 'for the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the -power- of God.'

If anyone ever wanted to chat about Jesus or religion with open and honest conversation, I'm ALWAYS up for it. I also found this website ministry to be totally awesome: www.gotquestions.org

Biglovetoyouall.

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- Lindy Ruff, 23 Feb. 2007

Let's take this in another direction, because I think there are plenty of more interesting things to talk about than the bible passages that are strange and archaic.

How do the Christians on the board feel about other denominations of Christianity, or even other religions as a whole, including some of the more non-traditional such as Wicca or Paganism?

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Well, the original idea for this thread was for rut to allow the Christians on this forum to talk about what they wanted to strictly staying along the lines of civil Christian discussion.

From this post on I don't want to see a trainwreck antagonistic debate.

Pants, your debate can go to another thread if wanted, but enoughs enough in this one. Consider this your warning.

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Ohhhh...Bible Study!

Rules for Slave Owners:

Leviticus 25 35-43...

If anyone from you country becomes too poor to support himself, help him to live among you as you would a stranger or foreigner. Do not charge him any interest on money you loan to him, but respect your God; let the poor live among you. Don't lend himmoney for interest, and don't try to make a profit from teh food he buys. I am the Lord yourGod, who brought you out of the land of Egypt to give the land of Canaan to you and to become your God. If anyone from your country becomes very poor and sells himself as a slave to you, you must not make him work like a slave. He will be like a hired worker and a visitor with you until the year of jubilee. Then he may leave you, take his children, and go back to his family and the land of his ancestors. This is because the Isrealites are my servants and I brought them out of slavery in Egypt. They must not become slaves again. you must not rule this person cruelly, but you must respect your God.

Then the rest is where the original Leviticus post started. Granted, I don't condone slavery...However, this is actually a passage that is more in the lines of helping the really poor that have not other choice and become slaves by their own choosing. This is a different scenario than the heathen bastard democrat south prior to the Civil War takign boats to Africa, kidnapping people and dragging them here to become slaves and being treated horribly.

Just thought I'd put that out there...

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I don't think that's the point of this thread either...it's a book study, similar (in my understanding) to a Big Book study in AA, or even just a high school/college study group.

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I like this thread. I don't mind people being politely controvertial if they have questions and think Christianity is a study in conflicts. Granted, there are a lot of conflictual points in the bible, buy you have to remember that much of it was written thousands of years ago adn not all of it was necessarily God's word, but from others and is bound to have differences of opinion.

Regarding homosexuality, or same-sex couples as i like to say it because homosexuality has a real nasty ring to it for some reason. Sex outside of marriage is a sin. Period. Whether it be man/man, woman/woman or man/woman. If you are not married to the person, its a sin. So, we are all sinners because I think it would be really rare to find any one person that has not had sex before marriage.

However, we as Christians are supposed to use the example of Jesus in the way we treat people. It is not up to us to judge...that's God's job. We are to treat everyone as equals...even in Leviticus with the whole slave controversy, if you read the whole chapter, it says you are to treat them respectfully and as equals and give them a chance...having a slave meant you are helping someone that can't support themselves. They come to slavery on their own accord and the slave owner is helping them out of a tight spot instead of the slave being homeless.
Also, regarding homosexuality...sex, in its basic existence, is for reproduction. If you put a plug to a plug, you get no electricity...put an outlet to an outlet, same thing...penis in butt produces no babies...vagina to vagina produces no babies...penis to vagina...babies!! We have this drive to have sex because God wants us to reproduce, not to run aroung having orgies like they did in the condemned cities of Sodam and Gamora...or Amsterdam or Mardi Gras. LOL For example, only...

God wants us to have restrictions and limitations because he wants us to remain in control of ourselves. To not remain in control and to live life unhinged is not the way God wants us to live. Homosexuality...well...i personally don't have a problem with a committed couple being happily in love with one another. Is it wrong? That's God's call...he may just be okay with it...who knows?

I'm sure I've PO'd someone with this, but its just my opinion. God loves us ALL and just wants us to be happy and well balanced people. I truly believe that.

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CV...I'm totally cool with Wiccans. In my experience, Wiccan's are very friendly, open-minded people that, at the end of the day, are very compassionate and forgiving people. I, personally, coundn't wrap myself around a religion or spiritual belief that doesn't involve Christ at its center, but that's just me. I would love to, someday, go to a Wiccan circle thing (I don't know what its called) to see what its like...but I would never commit myself to it as a way of life. I have a Wiccan friend in Los Angeles that is the president of the Pagan society there. Especially in the winter, I try to remember to send her a Happy Solstice e-mail so she doesn't feel left out at Christmas. To each his own...i'm not here to judge, but to understand and embrace my friends.

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Zilla...my answer to you would be if you read a passage from the bible and it seems to go against what you would think is moral or Christian, get a bible and read around that passage. More than likely, the passage in question was taken out of context and would be better understood if the verses before and after are read along with it. See the leviticus addendum I added to the Captain's slavery verses. I read his verses and thought, why would God do that? But if you start a few verses ahead, you'll see that its not really like that at all and, in fact, is quite moral and about helping those in need.

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