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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:01 am 
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Nearly half the world's primate species are in danger of extinction, according to a report released Wednesday by a major conservation group.

The main threat facing primates -- including apes, monkeys, and lemurs -- is tropical forest destruction, with the illegal wildlife trade and commercial bush meat hunting also playing roles.

Scientists say primates are humankind's closest animal relatives.

Of the world's 634 primate species, 48 percent are threatened with extinction, according to the report, issued by the International Union for Conservation of Nature. The Switzerland-based group calls itself the world's oldest global environmental organization.

"This report makes for very alarming reading," said Christoph Schwitzer, an adviser to the group, in a statement. "Support and action to help save these species is vital if we are to avoid losing these wonderful animals forever."

A handful of primate species count populations in the dozens. For example, there are just 60 to 70 Asian monkeys known as golden headed langurs, found only on an island in Vietnam's Gulf of Tonkin.

There are fewer than 100 remaining northern sportive lemurs, which live in Madagascar, and around 110 eastern black crested gibbons, found in northeastern Vietnam.

The report, which details the 25 most endangered primates, has been issued biannually by the International Union for Conservation of Nature since 2000. It will be formally released Thursday at Britain's Bristol Zoo Gardens.


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What's not good is CNN using extremist political environmentalist groups like the IUCN as sources for their reports.

That said, extinction is part of nature. If it wasn't, the earth would look a lot different today and we wouldn't be part of it.

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Definitely concerning, I wonder a few things though.

Why they said 48% instead of 304 species.
What some of those numbers are compared to what they were.

I guess I want a meatier article, it's a bit hard to discern anything from that. And it's way too easy to just chalk it up to extinction being a part of nature.

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End The Curse wrote:
extremist political environmentalist groups like the IUCN as sources for their .


links/evidence?

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
End The Curse wrote:
extremist political environmentalist groups like the IUCN as sources for their .


links/evidence?

Seriously? You don't know this group? Can't/won't google them yourself?

They are affiliated with the UN, have been around since 1948, and their entire purpose for existence is political activism for habitat preservation. Using them for the basis of a story about habitat-based extinction is like citing PETA for the nutritional pitfalls of eating red meat, or the AFL-CIO on the benefits of unionization.

To their credit, however, they were one of the groups that came out and ripped the Global Warming data, and declared it an over-hyped threat.

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End The Curse wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
End The Curse wrote:
extremist political environmentalist groups like the IUCN as sources for their .


links/evidence?

Seriously? You don't know this group? Can't/won't google them yourself?

They are affiliated with the UN, have been around since 1948, and their entire purpose for existence is political activism for habitat preservation. Using them for the basis of a story about habitat-based extinction is like citing PETA for the nutritional pitfalls of eating red meat, or the AFL-CIO on the benefits of unionization.

To their credit, however, they were one of the groups that came out and ripped the Global Warming data, and declared it an over-hyped threat.


I read the wikipedia, which was bland, as those tend to be. Didn't really detail any controvertial moments or ties to extremism. Don't really get into the habit of clicking odd google links while at work, not knowing where they'll take me.

It doesn't mean a lot for someone like you, notoriously leaning conservative to blast an organization with a decidedly liberal movement. It is difficult to tell, without links or evidence if there is a legitimate gripe to be had or if it's just ETC being ETC. About as meaningful as...well...hearing PETA talk about the nutritional pitfals of eating red meat.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
It doesn't mean a lot for someone like you, notoriously leaning conservative to blast an organization with a decidedly liberal movement. It is difficult to tell, without links or evidence if there is a legitimate gripe to be had or if it's just ETC being ETC. About as meaningful as...well...hearing PETA talk about the nutritional pitfals of eating red meat.

Nice attack. A challenged little boy with nothing to add but whining. My bad for engaging you in the first place. I have to remember who I'm dealing with. Carry on with your train set, junior.

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I've never heard of the group that CNN got the report from.

ETC, you'd be correct in saying that extinction is a part of this planet, but when it's happening unnaturally, it's not good.

Polar bears face extinction because the ice caps are melting and they can't prey the seals they need to feed their cubs and themselves.

They're failing to adequately adjust to the changing climate by coming out of hibernation earlier, therefore by way of natural selection, they may fail as a species.

Primates facing extinction, if true, is being caused by destruction of natural habitat by humans.

But I guess it's irrelevant because the group who completed the study is illegitimate.

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The polar bear population is increasing, not decreasing. That hoax was exposed awhile ago.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladni ... ent-truths

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End The Curse wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
It doesn't mean a lot for someone like you, notoriously leaning conservative to blast an organization with a decidedly liberal movement. It is difficult to tell, without links or evidence if there is a legitimate gripe to be had or if it's just ETC being ETC. About as meaningful as...well...hearing PETA talk about the nutritional pitfals of eating red meat.

Nice attack. A challenged little boy with nothing to add but whining. My bad for engaging you in the first place. I have to remember who I'm dealing with. Carry on with your train set, junior.


Was not intended to be an attack. I think it's easy to dismiss someone when they take a stance they've been known for taking without presenting evidence.

No offense, but your opinion doesn't really give us a whole lot to go on because I think a lot of us could have guessed your response to a thread like this. However, if you present some scientific evidence as a basis for your opinion, then that give me and others an opportunity to consider your side rather than just dismiss you as ranting because you're opinionated.

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End The Curse wrote:
Nice attack. A challenged little boy with nothing to add but whining. My bad for engaging you in the first place. I have to remember who I'm dealing with. Carry on with your train set, junior.


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Ahh...the IUCN...the same group that presented the species on the "climate change hitlist" to Copenhagen.

That was a fine list of cute, cuddly and magnificent animals.

Not only do they not question AGW, they firmly assert CO2 is the culprit.
I never knew they employed so many climatologists.

oh...and..
Polar bears can't adapt to something that's been happening for roughly 12,000 years? Tough shit.

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End The Curse wrote:
The polar bear population is increasing, not decreasing. That hoax was exposed awhile ago.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladni ... ent-truths


Not sure what newsbusters.org (sounds like a domain name targeted at reporting the contrary) is, but when multiple reputable sources say the populations are declining, I tend to believe them.

That said, I don't see that picture they're citing as one of polar bears in distress, as they swim and float on ice quite often.

That doesn't mean that the organizations that say the polar bears are in danger are incorrect.

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Crosscheck wrote:
Ahh...the IUCN...the same group that presented the species on the "climate change hitlist" to Copenhagen.

That was a fine list of cute, cuddly and magnificent animals.

Not only do they not question AGW, they firmly assert CO2 is the culprit.
I never knew they employed so many climatologists.

oh...and..
Polar bears can't adapt to something that's been happening for roughly 12,000 years? Tough shit.


Chill... that's what I said above.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
End The Curse wrote:
The polar bear population is increasing, not decreasing. That hoax was exposed awhile ago.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladni ... ent-truths


Not sure what newsbusters.org (sounds like a domain name targeted at reporting the contrary) is, but when multiple reputable sources say the populations are declining, I tend to believe them.

That said, I don't see that picture they're citing as one of polar bears in distress, as they swim and float on ice quite often.

That doesn't mean that the organizations that say the polar bears are in danger are incorrect.


Grab a clipboard, let's go count em.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
End The Curse wrote:
The polar bear population is increasing, not decreasing. That hoax was exposed awhile ago.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladni ... ent-truths


Not sure what newsbusters.org (sounds like a domain name targeted at reporting the contrary) is, but when multiple reputable sources say the populations are declining, I tend to believe them.

Don't like newsbusters?

Here's the telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... mists.html

and cnet
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10274412-38.html

So if the "reputable sources" you believe include the EPA, you've been lied to.
AGW must exist and CO2 must be the cause for the governmental power grab to work.

CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Grab a clipboard, let's go count em.


Mitchell Taylor, over the course of 30 years, did just that.
He was told his views "are extremely unhelpful".

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PSP, as we see in so many other politically charged cases, including "global warming", we can all choose which data we want to believe. From my perspective, it's always best to make sure that the data can stand up to scrutiny, and if not they should be treated with great skepticism.

The statistical evidence of declining Polar bear populations was entirely based on anticipated future events triggered by "global warming" that would lead to the melting of the polar ice caps. A lot of "ifs" are required to make such a leap of faith, particularly in light of the massive scandals and fraudulent data that has recently discredited much of the "global warming" political/scientific activism.

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The latest update of the IUCN Red List of Threatened Species™ shows that 17,291 species out of the 47,677 assessed species are threatened with extinction.

The results confirm that 21% of all known mammals, 30% of all known amphibians, 12 per cent of all known birds and 32% of all known gymnosperms (conifers and cycads) are threatened with extinction. Results for other species-groups that have not yet been comprehensively assessed such as freshwater fishes and dragonflies, indicate similar high levels of threat


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Why don't they just put everything on the damn list and go home for a nice spot of tea?

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rbochan wrote:
Are they tasty?

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End The Curse wrote:
What's not good is CNN using extremist political environmentalist groups like the IUCN as sources for their reports.

That said, extinction is part of nature. If it wasn't, the earth would look a lot different today and we wouldn't be part of it.

IUCN is one of the very few that aren't completely slanted. they aren't PETA or the NRA. they are pretty much all science. without them, there would be no CITES regulations.


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