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slesh
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Mancari aside, Gerbe has proven to be exactly what I thought he'd be - a lot of effort that can't overcome his extreme lack of size. He can compete as hard as anybody out there but if he's not physically big or strong enough to win many puck battles he won't create scoring chances. What I've seen over and over so far is how ineffective he is on the forecheck. He can't knock a d-man off the puck, despite his quality effort. He needs space and someone to feed him the puck, and that kind of time and space doesn't exist in the NHL unless you can outwork or outmuscle another player by yourself.

To leave another player that can bang and work the boards off the roster in favor of Gerbe is wrong. I'd take Matt Ellis with Roy and Vanek all day, every day before I'd put Gerbe there. Mancari, Kennedy, Stuart...anybody would be more productive on the forecheck than Gerbe. I can't even call him a bust, because I never thought he was worth the expectation to begin with.

And yet, Darcy Regier drafted him in hopes he would some how find success so they could run a Lollipop Kid type campaign starring Ennis, Roy and Gerbe. :D

I can see it now, Darcy Regier in his Dorothy pigtails with Ruff as toto and the lollipop kids singing there song.......... :lol:

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Lollipop Guild, not kids slesh ;)

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Lollipop Guild, not kids slesh ;)

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I was a dis-believer in Gerbe near the end of last year and in the off season. But now I think this kid can make it. The kid is what 5'5 on a good day. Once he pops one in and gets some relief, he'll start seeing the ice better and play with more confidence. It's not like he's costing us games with him in the lineup. He's one of the few players who's a plus and he's only got 6 pims. He works his ass off for us and he seems very determined to prove people wrong. Give him the full season. He'll work harder than Mancari over an entire season thats for sure.

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Gerbe works hard, but hasn't done anything this year. Send him down. Maybe that provides the spark he needs to figure it out. I'd keep Mancari up for now. Maybe he disappears, maybe he doesn't.

I really wanted to see the Gerbe experiment work, but it hasn't so far. Hopefully some time down in the AHL, actually putting the puck in the net can get him some confidence and he can get called back up again.

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sabresEH wrote:
I was a dis-believer in Gerbe near the end of last year and in the off season. But now I think this kid can make it. The kid is what 5'5 on a good day. Once he pops one in and gets some relief, he'll start seeing the ice better and play with more confidence. It's not like he's costing us games with him in the lineup. He's one of the few players who's a plus and he's only got 6 pims. He works his ass off for us and he seems very determined to prove people wrong. Give him the full season. He'll work harder than Mancari over an entire season thats for sure.



Well the 6 Pims is because he physically can't trip anyone, it's just viewed as a hip check :lol:

My issue with Gerbe personally, isn't his +/-, it's more of the same on the first line. 2 Star players and 1 guy who has no buisness playing with them, ala Drew Stafford, Al Kotalik, and to an extent Tyler Ennis. All the mentioned players are solid 2nd to 3rd line guys, but can't seem to break into that Star status. Maybe Ennis does in a few years when he fills out, maybe Luke Adam is that guy, maybe it's Kassian, maybe even Shipley, but right now, we just don't have that guy, and I feel like it hurts the other 2 in terms of production.

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slesh wrote:
Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
Mancari aside, Gerbe has proven to be exactly what I thought he'd be - a lot of effort that can't overcome his extreme lack of size. He can compete as hard as anybody out there but if he's not physically big or strong enough to win many puck battles he won't create scoring chances. What I've seen over and over so far is how ineffective he is on the forecheck. He can't knock a d-man off the puck, despite his quality effort. He needs space and someone to feed him the puck, and that kind of time and space doesn't exist in the NHL unless you can outwork or outmuscle another player by yourself.

To leave another player that can bang and work the boards off the roster in favor of Gerbe is wrong. I'd take Matt Ellis with Roy and Vanek all day, every day before I'd put Gerbe there. Mancari, Kennedy, Stuart...anybody would be more productive on the forecheck than Gerbe. I can't even call him a bust, because I never thought he was worth the expectation to begin with.

And yet, Darcy Regier drafted him in hopes he would some how find success so they could run a Lollipop Kid type campaign starring Ennis, Roy and Gerbe. :D

I can see it now, Darcy Regier in his Dorothy pigtails with Ruff as toto and the lollipop kids singing there song.......... :lol:


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Yeah... Stafford =/= Ennis
Ennis > Stafford

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jvaccaro6 wrote:
sabresEH wrote:
I was a dis-believer in Gerbe near the end of last year and in the off season. But now I think this kid can make it. The kid is what 5'5 on a good day. Once he pops one in and gets some relief, he'll start seeing the ice better and play with more confidence. It's not like he's costing us games with him in the lineup. He's one of the few players who's a plus and he's only got 6 pims. He works his ass off for us and he seems very determined to prove people wrong. Give him the full season. He'll work harder than Mancari over an entire season thats for sure.



Well the 6 Pims is because he physically can't trip anyone, it's just viewed as a hip check :lol:

My issue with Gerbe personally, isn't his +/-, it's more of the same on the first line. 2 Star players and 1 guy who has no buisness playing with them, ala Drew Stafford, Al Kotalik, and to an extent Tyler Ennis. All the mentioned players are solid 2nd to 3rd line guys, but can't seem to break into that Star status. Maybe Ennis does in a few years when he fills out, maybe Luke Adam is that guy, maybe it's Kassian, maybe even Shipley, but right now, we just don't have that guy, and I feel like it hurts the other 2 in terms of production.


I can see this argument... and totally agree that Darcy should (if allowed by the mighty Quinn) address the top line winger issue that has been around for some time now. It is one spot I am sick of waiting to see someone develop into while wasting prime years of Roy and Vanek... Get a winger that CAN play with those two NOW...

Will also allow you much more flexibility in your 2nd and 3rd lines down the road... if you get a top 6 winger in here now... BUT who is giving up a top 6 winger? and who would want Timmy, or Drew, or Rivet, or Gerbe for that winger... you would have to give up a top prospect and top pick(s) to get there... not sure if Im happy doing that and pretty sure Quinn won't allow it...

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as i read before.

gerbe isnt a top 6 player, and hes not a grinder. so what is he? an AHL player. pull the plug.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
Yeah... Stafford =/= Ennis
Ennis > Stafford


I agree there too... Staff has shown a lil this year, but I don't like him on the top line... And he still has a pretty solid girl label on him from last year... he needs to be healthy so i can see more...

I think Ennis HAS to be in the top 6

I think Roy HAS to be in the top 6

I don't think that leaves room for Gerbe in the top 6... and I think for Gerbe to be effective he would have to be in the top 6...

If you have 3 players the size of Ennis, Roy, Gerbe in the top 6, I think your giving up to much size to win consistently... given the way rules are enforced and the size and physicalality of other teams...

I think Gerbe needs to show something so maybe you can trade him... I like him, but I don't like him more than Ennis and Roy....

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
as i read before.

gerbe isnt a top 6 player, and hes not a grinder. so what is he? an AHL player. pull the plug.



get him to show something in the next few and package deal him for something....

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See, the Sabres lack finishers. We don't have the guys who can bury the chances. And what is Ennis? A playmaker. A damn good one, too. Countless times I've seen Vanek miss a perfect pass from Ennis. If one guy sees Ennis turn it over once because he's facing 3 guys with no support they say he loses it too often. I see him generating many chances every game. He is one of the only guys who can carry the puck into the zone on this team and keep it there.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
See, the Sabres lack finishers. We don't have the guys who can bury the chances. And what is Ennis? A playmaker. A damn good one, too. Countless times I've seen Vanek miss a perfect pass from Ennis. If one guy sees Ennis turn it over once because he's facing 3 guys with no support they say he loses it too often. I see him generating many chances every game. He is one of the only guys who can carry the puck into the zone on this team and keep it there.


Which is why he needs to stay with Roy and Vanek... Vanek can finish once on the same page and they seemed to be getting there, then .... i dont know... injuries caused shuffling ????

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I dont know why everyone has such a hard on for Ennis. Yeah he's a skilled player, but he is another small forward, who lacks the toughness to out work a larger defender in the corner. He's got hands to all hell, no doubt about it, but unless he's not having to work down in the corner, he's not that great. He can't dump and chase, watch him tonight, it's painful to watch him dump the puck in, then try to get to it.

Will he be a good player? Yes, no doubt in my mind, he is a good player. Will he ever be a "super-star" never, no, wont happen. Look at the superstars in the league, all over 6ft 190 pounds. Ennis on his best day is what, 5'9 155 pounds?

Sure you get a St. Louis every once in a while, but for every St. Louis, you get 50 Gerbe's.


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Gerbs was pulled up a little too early perhaps.

He isn't exactly playing with a ton of confidence right now, either.

I still think he has what it takes to succeed at this level, but he's definitely a little lost right now.

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jvaccaro6 wrote:
I dont know why everyone has such a hard on for Ennis. Yeah he's a skilled player, but he is another small forward, who lacks the toughness to out work a larger defender in the corner. He's got hands to all hell, no doubt about it, but unless he's not having to work down in the corner, he's not that great. He can't dump and chase, watch him tonight, it's painful to watch him dump the puck in, then try to get to it.

Will he be a good player? Yes, no doubt in my mind, he is a good player. Will he ever be a "super-star" never, no, wont happen. Look at the superstars in the league, all over 6ft 190 pounds. Ennis on his best day is what, 5'9 155 pounds?

Sure you get a St. Louis every once in a while, but for every St. Louis, you get 50 Gerbe's.


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jvaccaro6 wrote:
I dont know why everyone has such a hard on for Ennis. Yeah he's a skilled player, but he is another small forward, who lacks the toughness to out work a larger defender in the corner. He's got hands to all hell, no doubt about it, but unless he's not having to work down in the corner, he's not that great. He can't dump and chase, watch him tonight, it's painful to watch him dump the puck in, then try to get to it.

Will he be a good player? Yes, no doubt in my mind, he is a good player. Will he ever be a "super-star" never, no, wont happen. Look at the superstars in the league, all over 6ft 190 pounds. Ennis on his best day is what, 5'9 155 pounds?

Sure you get a St. Louis every once in a while, but for every St. Louis, you get 50 Gerbe's.


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jvaccaro6 wrote:
I dont know why everyone has such a hard on for Ennis. Yeah he's a skilled player, but he is another small forward, who lacks the toughness to out work a larger defender in the corner. He's got hands to all hell, no doubt about it, but unless he's not having to work down in the corner, he's not that great. He can't dump and chase, watch him tonight, it's painful to watch him dump the puck in, then try to get to it.

Will he be a good player? Yes, no doubt in my mind, he is a good player. Will he ever be a "super-star" never, no, wont happen. Look at the superstars in the league, all over 6ft 190 pounds. Ennis on his best day is what, 5'9 155 pounds?

Sure you get a St. Louis every once in a while, but for every St. Louis, you get 50 Gerbe's.


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I find a flaw in your logic, Crosby is not 6 foot tall. He is 5'11". Marc Savard is only 5' 10". Height doesn't matter too much in the range of 6 foot, 5'9 guys can be just as good as 6'4 guys. It's all about hands and how they can protect the puck and their vision. Because we all know Gretzky was only 6 foot 185 but his hands, vision, and hockey smarts outmatched anyone else.

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I have a theory as to why Gerbe can't score. He's gone to a longer stick to help out his reach along the boards and in passing lanes, therefore his body positioning is off when he goes to shoot. Give him more time.

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