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NYIntensity
 Post subject: Re: Lindy Ruff
PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:55 pm 
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I'd venture to say that Ehrhoff has been garbage as a "D" man, and his offensive upside is a liability at best.

Boyes has been working harder these past 2 weeks, but still isn't the guy we want him to be.

Leino just doesn't seem to be "clicking" with any group of players yet.

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I'd venture to say that Ehrhoff has been garbage as a "D" man, and his offensive upside is a liability at best.

Boyes has been working harder these past 2 weeks, but still isn't the guy we want him to be.

Leino just doesn't seem to be "clicking" with any group of players yet.

Ehrhoff is garbage as a D man? Might I bring up highlights of him breaking up plays and several 2 on 1's?
Boyes has 7 points and won a game for us in the shootout. He's where he wants to be.

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I can't really blame Lindy, his system works if the guys execute it. The players keep making mistakes they shouldn't even make without a coach.

I don't buy the argument that the players have stopped responding to his coaching. Right now our best players are the ones that are here the longest (Vanek, Pominville, Roy etc...). The new guys like Ehrhoff, Leino, Boyes (he's playing better recently), Gragnani are screwing up.

Ehrhoff Leino and Boyes aren't screwing up. They're playing great. Sekera, Grags, Myers. THEY'RE screwing up. Our D is awful; our offense is fine. It's opposite of last year.


Ehrhoff, Leino and Boyes aren't playing great. They're playing okay at best, barely noticeable.

Ehrhoff: Almost every night I see him break up a play with a diving poke check. The guy's playing nice D and has I think 7 points.
Boyes: Has 7 points, not bad, and he's been playing really well lately.
Leino: Only one I mentioned not playing very well, but he's been taking a grinder role and is damn good at it.

To blame this team's troubles on Leino, Ehrhoff, and Boyes, is not fair. They're at least trying every night and they're not playing bad.


Ehrhoff is -4 and had a ton of horrible turnovers. He is supposed to play a big role on our D but isn't yet.
Boyes has played well lately but I expect more than 7 points in 18 games.
Leino is by far the biggest disappointment. No matter what line he is on, the line isn't producing any offense. He is playing solid denfensively but he isn't a good grinder because he isn't built for it (Maybe we have different opinions what a grinder is)

Gragnani and Sekera had terrible games but their inconsistency was expected. In the first 10 games Sekera was one of our better d-men and Sekera and Gragnani are +5 and +6.

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I have to agree. Being the longest serving coach for one team to me means you have to produce better than he has over the last few years. He's had great seasons but not in years. I bought the whole "blame it on Tommy G and Darcy" crap and yes, some of it was true. Now though he has no excuses. A better pool of talent, a billionare owner with money to burn and a new training facility......time to win or pack your things. The whole "if the team plays the system" is true....but if they aren't playing the system do you just wait and hope they do or do you get another coach that fits with the team you have? Changing a coach is easier than replacing the attitudes of a few dozen players.

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Guys...we're second in the east. What exactly is spurring this anti-lindy sentiment? I say give him at least one full season under the new management before we start shopping around.


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I don't think this team would be any tougher under another coach. We have 3 players who would drop the gloves and probably the softest D in the NHL with 1 tough guy (1.5 with Weber). No coach can change that, only the manager.

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I have to agree. Being the longest serving coach for one team to me means you have to produce better than he has over the last few years. He's had great seasons but not in years. I bought the whole "blame it on Tommy G and Darcy" crap and yes, some of it was true. Now though he has no excuses. A better pool of talent, a billionare owner with money to burn and a new training facility......time to win or pack your things. The whole "if the team plays the system" is true....but if they aren't playing the system do you just wait and hope they do or do you get another coach that fits with the team you have? Changing a coach is easier than replacing the attitudes of a few dozen players.


The Maryland Terrapins just went through this with Gary Williams. Only he won a championship lol.


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Guys...we're second in the east. What exactly is spurring this anti-lindy sentiment? I say give him at least one full season under the new management before we start shopping around.

My issue really started with the Boston game. Then when we played against Montreal it took them 40+ minutes to start to play with some heart. Last night was just disgusting. After been beaten up by the media and fans for their lack of support and heart, they should have come and tried to destroy those teams.

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Guys...we're second in the east. What exactly is spurring this anti-lindy sentiment? I say give him at least one full season under the new management before we start shopping around.

We're 20% into the season. Yeah, we're getting points, but we're ONLY getting points against teams that we should.

What I see on the ice are wins, but this team is not, at this point, a winner.

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I have to agree. Being the longest serving coach for one team to me means you have to produce better than he has over the last few years. He's had great seasons but not in years. I bought the whole "blame it on Tommy G and Darcy" crap and yes, some of it was true. Now though he has no excuses. A better pool of talent, a billionare owner with money to burn and a new training facility......time to win or pack your things. The whole "if the team plays the system" is true....but if they aren't playing the system do you just wait and hope they do or do you get another coach that fits with the team you have? Changing a coach is easier than replacing the attitudes of a few dozen players.

I disagree with that, the players can buy into the system, if they aren't buying into the system, you bench them until they do.

You can't change the attitude of the players, but changing to coach to fit the team is wrong, you change the players to fit the coach.

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I have to agree. Being the longest serving coach for one team to me means you have to produce better than he has over the last few years. He's had great seasons but not in years. I bought the whole "blame it on Tommy G and Darcy" crap and yes, some of it was true. Now though he has no excuses. A better pool of talent, a billionare owner with money to burn and a new training facility......time to win or pack your things. The whole "if the team plays the system" is true....but if they aren't playing the system do you just wait and hope they do or do you get another coach that fits with the team you have? Changing a coach is easier than replacing the attitudes of a few dozen players.

I disagree with that, the players can buy into the system, if they aren't buying into the system, you bench them until they do.

You can't change the attitude of the players, but changing to coach to fit the team is wrong, you change the players to fit the coach.

eh, thats iffy at best. a coach should build a system around the type of team/players that he has. if a team that is built for speed and quick bursts up the ice is being coached into playing a slow physical game they are going to suck at it since that isnt who they are as a team...and thats bad coaching.

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I have to agree. Being the longest serving coach for one team to me means you have to produce better than he has over the last few years. He's had great seasons but not in years. I bought the whole "blame it on Tommy G and Darcy" crap and yes, some of it was true. Now though he has no excuses. A better pool of talent, a billionare owner with money to burn and a new training facility......time to win or pack your things. The whole "if the team plays the system" is true....but if they aren't playing the system do you just wait and hope they do or do you get another coach that fits with the team you have? Changing a coach is easier than replacing the attitudes of a few dozen players.

I disagree with that, the players can buy into the system, if they aren't buying into the system, you bench them until they do.

You can't change the attitude of the players, but changing to coach to fit the team is wrong, you change the players to fit the coach.

eh, thats iffy at best. a coach should build a system around the type of team/players that he has. if a team that is built for speed and quick bursts up the ice is being coached into playing a slow physical game they are going to suck at it since that isnt who they are as a team...and thats bad coaching.

Tampa is a perfect example with the 1-3-1 trap

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I have to agree. Being the longest serving coach for one team to me means you have to produce better than he has over the last few years. He's had great seasons but not in years. I bought the whole "blame it on Tommy G and Darcy" crap and yes, some of it was true. Now though he has no excuses. A better pool of talent, a billionare owner with money to burn and a new training facility......time to win or pack your things. The whole "if the team plays the system" is true....but if they aren't playing the system do you just wait and hope they do or do you get another coach that fits with the team you have? Changing a coach is easier than replacing the attitudes of a few dozen players.

I disagree with that, the players can buy into the system, if they aren't buying into the system, you bench them until they do.

You can't change the attitude of the players, but changing to coach to fit the team is wrong, you change the players to fit the coach.

eh, thats iffy at best. a coach should build a system around the type of team/players that he has. if a team that is built for speed and quick bursts up the ice is being coached into playing a slow physical game they are going to suck at it since that isnt who they are as a team...and thats bad coaching.

Tampa is a perfect example with the 1-3-1 trap

No it's not. Any team can play the trap, and I mean ANYBODY. If anything, Tampa is built for back and forth hockey like Buffalo.

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Tamp used to play that style, but were losing because they had no goalie, they can still do a run n gun offense, but they win because they are patient and don't do too much early on, they'll burn you if you let them though.

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Tamp used to play that style, but were losing because they had no goalie, they can still do a run n gun offense, but they win because they are patient and don't do too much early on, they'll burn you if you let them though.

Yea I agree. All I'm saying is we shouldn't lick Boucher's balls just because he turned around his team by using the trap. It's an easy solution to your shitty defence or goaltender.

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BREAKING NEWS: LINDY STILL NOT FIRED.

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BREAKING NEWS: LINDY STILL NOT FIRED.

hehe. I laughed.

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BREAKING NEWS: LINDY STILL NOT FIRED.

DAMN
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BREAKING NEWS: LINDY STILL NOT FIRED.

your point?

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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Guys...we're second in the east. What exactly is spurring this anti-lindy sentiment? I say give him at least one full season under the new management before we start shopping around.

ummmm, you were saying?? Amazing what happens in a week when you play teams that play to win.....

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