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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:02 am 
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i was shocked he had a concussion. his reaction (swinging the stick in retaliation) is not something someone who just had their brain scrambled would do. typically, the body tenses up for a few seconds, before relaxing. im no doctor, its just that seemed so odd to me. that was a conscious action at a time when your conscious doesnt exist momentarily. so im thinking its not a bad concussion.

by no means am i calling bullshit. just seems so odd.

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You know a goalie hockey stick only weighs about, 750 grams or Only 1.6 pounds, nowhere near 5 pounds.

And it would have hit him in the shins, and where it would have hit is padded. Lucic wouldn't of felt a thing. And in this situation, the momentum of Lucic hitting Miller is far greater than the momentum of a stick swinging towards a player.

i swear that there is no one on this board who's played a physical sport at a competitive level. the physics alone of swinging a stick at someone would hurt. okay, you caught me exaggerating, you brilliant man, you. 1.5 pounds swung like that can break bones, and with all the pressure from the swing hitting at a point about a half an inch wide, there's a good chance he would have busted his shins.

hockey pucks only weigh 6 ounces (less than 1/3 the weight of the average stick) and they break through pads and hurt players...

ps, momentum is mass times velocity, so of course the momentum of two people colliding is bigger than a stick hitting him.

I've been hit with sticks before playing hockey and know how much they can hurt, but the area where it was swinging would have hit pads, yes it could be a concentrated blow but would not have done anything. The pads are designed to protect and stop blows from solid objects.

When you see a puck or a stick hurt someone, it hits the part of the body that has no padding on it. Take a shot in the shins and you won't feel anything, take a shot on the inner thigh, you'll be limping because it hurts.

I'm also sure a puck doesn't break through pads. It could do some bruising if it hits on pads, but not break through them.

I'm curious, do you play hockey Pat? Have you ever seen a professional level set of pads? Even my shitty shin pads don't let me feel most of the blows I've taken to my shins. I've only had one shot off my shin pads that hurt or I could feel through my pad. And I have the bottom line shin pads.

Slash guards go where the elbow pads and the gloves have space between them. I know why players wear them, I got slashed right in that area before and have a nice scar from a stick because of it. I know sticks are dangerous and are weapons.

I watched the replay again, maybe the tip of the blade would have hit in the stomach area, maybe, but I'm betting Lucic's hockey pants go high enough where it would have caught them or it would have hit the pants at some location.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
i was shocked he had a concussion. his reaction (swinging the stick in retaliation) is not something someone who just had their brain scrambled would do. typically, the body tenses up for a few seconds, before relaxing. im no doctor, its just that seemed so odd to me. that was a conscious action at a time when your conscious doesnt exist momentarily. so im thinking its not a bad concussion.

by no means am i calling bullshit. just seems so odd.

It could have been the Seguin collision that did it.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
i was shocked he had a concussion. his reaction (swinging the stick in retaliation) is not something someone who just had their brain scrambled would do. typically, the body tenses up for a few seconds, before relaxing. im no doctor, its just that seemed so odd to me. that was a conscious action at a time when your conscious doesnt exist momentarily. so im thinking its not a bad concussion.

by no means am i calling bullshit. just seems so odd.

Remember when Drury had a concussion and missed 2 games after the Neil blindside hit? Maybe its one of those types of concussions

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okay, go get some professional pads that "stop and protect blows" and i'll swing a stick sideways at you. of course i'd like a waiver signed first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTh9fo9znHk
there's what is probably the most important padding on a player getting broke

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v021vsVTco
shit broken leg on a slap shot, right on those miraculous shin guards


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okay, go get some professional pads that "stop and protect blows" and i'll swing a stick sideways at you. of course i'd like a waiver signed first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTh9fo9znHk
there's what is probably the most important padding on a player getting broke

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v021vsVTco
shit broken leg on a slap shot, right on those miraculous shin guards

:lol: :lol: :lol: Are you SERIOUSLY trying to compare a slap shot from CHARA...the league's record holding slapshot beast to a backhanded swipe from Ryan "180 Lbs of Fury" Miller? Stretching a bit me thinks. :lol:

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Have you guys considered calling it a draw? Y'all are set in your opinions. No one is going to change their minds...


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Have you guys considered calling it a draw? Y'all are set in your opinions. No one is going to change their minds...

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Los9090 wrote:
ironyisadeadscene wrote:
i was shocked he had a concussion. his reaction (swinging the stick in retaliation) is not something someone who just had their brain scrambled would do. typically, the body tenses up for a few seconds, before relaxing. im no doctor, its just that seemed so odd to me. that was a conscious action at a time when your conscious doesnt exist momentarily. so im thinking its not a bad concussion.

by no means am i calling bullshit. just seems so odd.

Remember when Drury had a concussion and missed 2 games after the Neil blindside hit? Maybe its one of those types of concussions


even drury sat there tensed up for a few moments. one such incident that comes to mind in kapanen in 2004 after tucker railroads him into the boards. i think kaps was concussed, but he was still in the right mind frame to attempt to get to the bench. he kept falling, but he kept trying and thus was in some sort of mind frame to his surroundings. but it was a primal awareness.

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okay, go get some professional pads that "stop and protect blows" and i'll swing a stick sideways at you. of course i'd like a waiver signed first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTh9fo9znHk
there's what is probably the most important padding on a player getting broke

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v021vsVTco
shit broken leg on a slap shot, right on those miraculous shin guards

:lol: :lol: :lol: Are you SERIOUSLY trying to compare a slap shot from CHARA...the league's record holding slapshot beast to a backhanded swipe from Ryan "180 Lbs of Fury" Miller? Stretching a bit me thinks. :lol:


while i love the stick swinging at his shins, theres a reason why players go for the shins. its possible millers stick hitting lucics shinguard breaks it. that wasnt a weak swing. and furthermore, thats a long stick, and the end of the stick, the speed of the stick is significantly faster. would it have broken the shinguard? probably not. was it possible? absolutely. would lucic have felt it? yes.

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The diagnosis came from Boston's doctors... not the Sabres' doctors. Makes me think it's legit.

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of course its legit, im just not sure it was when lucic hit him.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
of course its legit, im just not sure it was when lucic hit him.

If it didn't come direct from the hit, which is still absolutely possible, it was definitely a contributing factor.

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of course its legit, im just not sure it was when lucic hit him.

If it didn't come direct from the hit, which is still absolutely possible, it was definitely a contributing factor.


im positive he had a concussion. i only pointed out his actions after the hit seemed extremely out of character for someone who JUST suffered a concussion.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
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of course its legit, im just not sure it was when lucic hit him.

If it didn't come direct from the hit, which is still absolutely possible, it was definitely a contributing factor.


im positive he had a concussion. i only pointed out his actions after the hit seemed extremely out of character for someone who JUST suffered a concussion.


Understandable but there are times where people have had concussions and initially had no signs/symptoms but were diagnosed hours, days or weeks later. Each person's body acts differently and it also depends on how severe the concussion is. That's why if someone hits there head, most physicians will say to "keep and eye on them" for at least 24 hours.

To me, when he swung the stick it looked just like a subconscious defensive reaction. Almost immediately afterwards he laid down on his back. I can only assume that is when he started to see the little birdies flying around.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
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of course its legit, im just not sure it was when lucic hit him.

If it didn't come direct from the hit, which is still absolutely possible, it was definitely a contributing factor.


im positive he had a concussion. i only pointed out his actions after the hit seemed extremely out of character for someone who JUST suffered a concussion.


Understandable but there are times where people have had concussions and initially had no signs/symptoms but were diagnosed hours, days or weeks later. Each person's body acts differently and it also depends on how severe the concussion is. That's why if someone hits there head, most physicians will say to "keep and eye on them" for at least 24 hours.

To me, when he swung the stick it looked just like a subconscious defensive reaction. Almost immediately afterwards he laid down on his back. I can only assume that is when he started to see the little birdies flying around.


and thats all well and true and i agree. im just going by what ive seen when watching hockey, and my own experiences. hell, last time i had a concussion, i took a puck off the helmet while playing forward. came off the glass and wham. i went to the bench, and apparently i went to the wrong bench, got over the wall and immediately fell over and just stayed down.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
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sabresindc wrote:
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of course its legit, im just not sure it was when lucic hit him.

If it didn't come direct from the hit, which is still absolutely possible, it was definitely a contributing factor.


im positive he had a concussion. i only pointed out his actions after the hit seemed extremely out of character for someone who JUST suffered a concussion.


Understandable but there are times where people have had concussions and initially had no signs/symptoms but were diagnosed hours, days or weeks later. Each person's body acts differently and it also depends on how severe the concussion is. That's why if someone hits there head, most physicians will say to "keep and eye on them" for at least 24 hours.

To me, when he swung the stick it looked just like a subconscious defensive reaction. Almost immediately afterwards he laid down on his back. I can only assume that is when he started to see the little birdies flying around.


and thats all well and true and i agree. im just going by what ive seen when watching hockey, and my own experiences. hell, last time i had a concussion, i took a puck off the helmet while playing forward. came off the glass and wham. i went to the bench, and apparently i went to the wrong bench, got over the wall and immediately fell over and just stayed down.

:shock: That definitely not good. It's neither here nor there at this point. We'll find out if it makes a difference in about 10 mins.

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Dammit, it's been an hour, what the hell are they talking about, when are we going to hear the decision?


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okay, go get some professional pads that "stop and protect blows" and i'll swing a stick sideways at you. of course i'd like a waiver signed first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTh9fo9znHk
there's what is probably the most important padding on a player getting broke

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v021vsVTco
shit broken leg on a slap shot, right on those miraculous shin guards

The nuts barely have any protection. Basically the only thing that is there is a cup, the hockey pants offer hardly any protection for that area.

And Chara's slapshot on Callahan, did you notice he got right back up and continued to skate?

My question still stands. Have you ever put on hockey gear or even seen it up close?

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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I think Irony is right, that the concussion came from someone else

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