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Opportunistic, slimy people in this world. Sad.

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The widow of an Internal Revenue Service employee killed when a disgruntled taxpayer flew his plane into a seven-story building in Austin, Texas, last week is suing the pilot's wife, according to court documents.

Valerie Hunter, the wife of Vernon Hunter, is accusing Sheryl Stack, wife of Andrew Joseph "Joe" Stack III, of negligence, alleging she she knew or should have known that her husband was a threat to others and, thus, could have prevented the attack, according to the lawsuit filed Monday in Travis County District Court.

"Stack was threatened enough by Joseph Stack that she took her daughter and stayed at a hotel the night before the plane crash. [She] owed a duty to exercise reasonable care to avoid a foreseeable risk of injury to others including [Vernon Hunter]," the suit says.

The lawsuit also seeks to bar the release of Vernon Hunter's autopsy report, saying that, if made public, it would cause Hunter's family to suffer "severe and irreparable emotional distress."

Hunter was killed February 18 when, authorities say, Stack flew his Piper Cherokee PA-28 into a northwest Austin building that housed nearly 200 IRS employees.

Authorities say Stack set fire to his $230,000 home in Austin before embarking on his fatal flight.

Police have said Sheryl Stack spent the previous night in an Austin-area hotel but did not say why. Police said they had received no calls of domestic violence from the house. The only calls to police were made a couple of years ago and concerned barking dogs, officials said said.

A 3,000-word message on a Web site registered to Stack railed against the government, particularly the IRS.

"I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different," the online message said. "I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let's try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well."

Sheryl Stack issued a statement after the attack expressing "sincere sympathy to the victims and their families."

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No, what a CUNT.

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So if you just had your spouse get killed from this kind of incident, you wouldn't be almost completly insanely pissed off? You wouldn't look for any (legal) pound of flesh possible? If this asshole's family knew just what type of freak he was, I would call that irresponsible to not notify authorities that he was a risk to others. Whether that irresponsibility also amounts to legal negligence is a good question, but I certainly can't blame the widow for trying to find out.

This is why these terrorist asshole's are useless pieces of shit - they go off the deep end and wind up killing someone (a Vietnam Vet that served his country, no doubt as a low rung draftee) that had absolutely zero to do with his twisted anger. Fuck that Stack asshole and anybody who knew about his mindset and could have done something to prevent his actions but didn't.


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
So if you just had your spouse get killed from this kind of incident, you wouldn't be almost completly insanely pissed off? You wouldn't look for any (legal) pound of flesh possible? If this asshole's family knew just what type of freak he was, I would call that irresponsible to not notify authorities that he was a risk to others. Whether that irresponsibility also amounts to legal negligence is a good question, but I certainly can't blame the widow for trying to find out.

This is why these terrorist asshole's are useless pieces of shit - they go off the deep end and wind up killing someone (a Vietnam Vet that served his country, no doubt as a low rung draftee) that had absolutely zero to do with his twisted anger. Fuck that Stack asshole and anybody who knew about his mindset and could have done something to prevent his actions but didn't.


So...the (now) widow was supposed to call the police (when exactly?) and tell them that 'something' was wrong with her husband, and that he has access to a plane, and that he might crash it into something?
Should she also have told them that he has access to a car, and might crash THAT into something? Should she have told them that he has money, enough at least to buy a gun and go on a shooting rampage? Should she have told them that maybe he'll buy some poison and go around injecting it into bottles of pills? And WHEN the police laughed at her and these many possibilities, is it the police who should be sued?


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Watching the news, I noticed the pilots daughter called him a hero. Maybe a lawsuit isn't the answer, and maybe the wife doesn't feel that way, but there's something really messed up in that family.

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I thought this would be where privileged information comes in - there is a clause for attorney-client and for spouses, but I'm not sure if it goes into an act like this.

And his actions embody what a lot of Americans feel - not the taking of life, but the stance against "the man" that doesn't do enough for him, the stance against partisan politics that railroad this country to what works for their own personal and political agendas. I can't say I blame him, and were it not for the death of an innocent, I would applaud him.

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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
So if you just had your spouse get killed from this kind of incident, you wouldn't be almost completly insanely pissed off? You wouldn't look for any (legal) pound of flesh possible? If this asshole's family knew just what type of freak he was, I would call that irresponsible to not notify authorities that he was a risk to others. Whether that irresponsibility also amounts to legal negligence is a good question, but I certainly can't blame the widow for trying to find out.

This is why these terrorist asshole's are useless pieces of shit - they go off the deep end and wind up killing someone (a Vietnam Vet that served his country, no doubt as a low rung draftee) that had absolutely zero to do with his twisted anger. Fuck that Stack asshole and anybody who knew about his mindset and could have done something to prevent his actions but didn't.


At the very least, I'd let the police finish their fucking investigation before I filed any lawsuits.

The widow of the pilot just lost her whole life too. There hasn't been any investigation or details released regarding this situation, and yet only a few days later, he comes a lawsuit.

There is an insane lack of empathy on this woman's part.

So yes, I find this woman a bitch.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
Opportunistic, slimy people in this world. Sad.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/24/tex ... tml?hpt=T2

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The widow of an Internal Revenue Service employee killed when a disgruntled taxpayer flew his plane into a seven-story building in Austin, Texas, last week is suing the pilot's wife, according to court documents.

Valerie Hunter, the wife of Vernon Hunter, is accusing Sheryl Stack, wife of Andrew Joseph "Joe" Stack III, of negligence, alleging she she knew or should have known that her husband was a threat to others and, thus, could have prevented the attack, according to the lawsuit filed Monday in Travis County District Court.

"Stack was threatened enough by Joseph Stack that she took her daughter and stayed at a hotel the night before the plane crash. [She] owed a duty to exercise reasonable care to avoid a foreseeable risk of injury to others including [Vernon Hunter]," the suit says.

The lawsuit also seeks to bar the release of Vernon Hunter's autopsy report, saying that, if made public, it would cause Hunter's family to suffer "severe and irreparable emotional distress."

Hunter was killed February 18 when, authorities say, Stack flew his Piper Cherokee PA-28 into a northwest Austin building that housed nearly 200 IRS employees.

Authorities say Stack set fire to his $230,000 home in Austin before embarking on his fatal flight.

Police have said Sheryl Stack spent the previous night in an Austin-area hotel but did not say why. Police said they had received no calls of domestic violence from the house. The only calls to police were made a couple of years ago and concerned barking dogs, officials said said.

A 3,000-word message on a Web site registered to Stack railed against the government, particularly the IRS.

"I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different," the online message said. "I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let's try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well."

Sheryl Stack issued a statement after the attack expressing "sincere sympathy to the victims and their families."


Just when you thought that people couldn't become more fucked up in modern society, a moron somewhere will always find new ways to define themselves as a cunt. This is just fucking wrong.

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We should just pass a new law declaring all spouses of criminals are by definition accomplices and ship them off to prison. :doh:

While I understand the widow's desire for vengeance, this is a retarded, frivolous lawsuit that should be tossed out before it ever whiffs a courtroom.

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None of us know how much Stack's wife knew about his intentions. For all we know she knew a lot...maybe not. A lawsuit is one way to find out. I'm one of the last people that want to see frivolous lawsuits, but I can't possibly blame the woman who just lost her husband for no good fucking reason. What could possibly be "frivolous" about wanting some compensation for your dead husband? Somebody actually died, a true productive head of household no less. This isn't about one neighbor's tree falling into the other's yard and causing emotional distress to the fucking dog. I fail to see "frivolous" in this story what-so-ever.

I can't believe some of you guys can't put yourself in her shoes and understand the need for answers and any possible legal justice, criminal or civil. Much of Stack's estate should be going toward the Hunter family eventually anyway, so litigation is on the way no matter what.

I'm sure you guys would just sit back and accept nothing more than an apology though, and wait patiently for a criminal investigation to be completed. Whatever.


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None of us know how much Stack's wife knew about his intentions. For all we know she knew a lot...maybe not. A lawsuit is one way to find out. I'm one of the last people that want to see frivolous lawsuits, but I can't possibly blame the woman who just lost her husband for no good fucking reason. What could possibly be "frivolous" about wanting some compensation for your dead husband? Somebody actually died, a true productive head of household no less. This isn't about one neighbor's tree falling into the other's yard and causing emotional distress to the fucking dog. I fail to see "frivolous" in this story what-so-ever.

I can't believe some of you guys can't put yourself in her shoes and understand the need for answers and any possible legal justice, criminal or civil. Much of Stack's estate should be going toward the Hunter family eventually anyway, so litigation is on the way no matter what.

I'm sure you guys would just sit back and accept nothing more than an apology though, and wait patiently for a criminal investigation to be completed. Whatever.


Sorry, but this is b.s.

There's going to be an investigation either way. She can make her decision whether or not to sue based on that.

You'd think she'd take some days to grieve before she tried to collect.

I have put myself in her shoes, and I can tell you the last thing I'd be thinking about is retribution at this point, especially if I have no idea yet whether or not the pilot's wife knew anything.

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I'm sure you guys would just sit back and accept nothing more than an apology though, and wait patiently for a criminal investigation to be completed. Whatever.



Perhaps not, but thats a far cry from instantly having dollar signs pop in our heads.


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So,

Say a loved one dies of a disease that is treatable, but not curable. The Dr's have literally done everything they possibly could have within their limits and the spouse knows this and understands this. Does this mean the widow or widower should be allowed to hit up the Dr's for a lawsuit because they need some compensation?

I think this bitch is just batshit crazy, in my professional opinion.

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PSP, I'm fairly certain that she's already spent time grieving, and probably isn't done. I also think it would be better to wait until facts from a criminal investigation are discovered. That's me, and that's you, but we aren't the ones who just had their husband burnt to a crisp for nothing. I'm willing to cut the widow some slack for now.

Yankee, you're just assuming Hunter is seeing nothing but $$$. Maybe after the stupid comments from the daughter it motivated her to find out more about what the family knew. Maybe she's just being vengeful, but after having her husband burnt to a crisp for no good reason, again, I'm willing to cut her some slack for now.

Aud, your comparison fails. If the widow finds out that one of the doctors knew ahead of time that the surgery could kill the man, and that wasn't disclosed, then she may have a valid case. It's not about getting compensation for the sake of it. It's about finding out if Stack's wife knew more specifics about his intentions ahead of time and failed to be a responsible person and notify authorities. Even if the wife did know specifics it would be a hard case to win. At this point none of us know jack shit in this regard, so there is no way for us to judge whether this lawsuit is frivolous or not. You go ahead and have your spouse die like that, and if you thought that there was any chance someone knew it was going to happen we'll see how you'd react.

This lawsuit may not be right, and it may be a losing case in any event, but short of Mrs. Hunter acting criminally toward the other family out of pure revenge, there isn't a damn thing she could do right now that would qualify as "frivolous" to me.


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None of us know how much Stack's wife knew about his intentions. For all we know she knew a lot...maybe not. A lawsuit is one way to find out. I'm one of the last people that want to see frivolous lawsuits, but I can't possibly blame the woman who just lost her husband for no good fucking reason. What could possibly be "frivolous" about wanting some compensation for your dead husband? Somebody actually died, a true productive head of household no less. This isn't about one neighbor's tree falling into the other's yard and causing emotional distress to the fucking dog. I fail to see "frivolous" in this story what-so-ever.


A civil lawsuit shouldn't be a fishing expedition, although it's commonly used as one.

If the criminal system determines that Stack's wife knew something, the victim's family may have enough for a civil wrongful death claim. But why not let the criminal investigation determine that first?

Did you ever stop the think about that fact that Mrs. Stack just lost a husband too? Maybe she deserves some sympathy too.

Last time I checked, she was innocent until proven guilty too.


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I probably answered some of this in my last post (probably before you posted). I know how the process should work - wait until the criminal part is done and go from there. I'm not about to criticize a pissed off spouse that isn't just in grief, but wants some fucking answers - yesterday.

If Mrs. Stack knew specifics, then she might (might) have some legal responsibility. You could say the same for any number of car crash scenarios. Should the victim of a deadly crash wait until grieving time is over before filing suit against the guilty driver's family/estate? That's a personal issue that I wouldn't judge someone over.

As for innocent until proven guilty - that's not what's going on here. Filing a lawsuit in civil court is the same as being charged with a criminal offense. There's no assumption of guilt/innocence either way, it's just a notice that you'll have a court date to explain your side.

Mrs. Hunter is probably jumping the gun, I've already agreed, but to turn around and jump to conclusions about her and toss out "frivolous" and "bitch" when she just had her husband killed by a fucked-in-the-head domestic terrorist is a bit much. No, it's way over the top.


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
None of us know how much Stack's wife knew about his intentions. For all we know she knew a lot...maybe not. A lawsuit is one way to find out. I'm one of the last people that want to see frivolous lawsuits, but I can't possibly blame the woman who just lost her husband for no good fucking reason. What could possibly be "frivolous" about wanting some compensation for your dead husband? Somebody actually died, a true productive head of household no less. This isn't about one neighbor's tree falling into the other's yard and causing emotional distress to the fucking dog. I fail to see "frivolous" in this story what-so-ever.

I can't believe some of you guys can't put yourself in her shoes and understand the need for answers and any possible legal justice, criminal or civil. Much of Stack's estate should be going toward the Hunter family eventually anyway, so litigation is on the way no matter what.

I'm sure you guys would just sit back and accept nothing more than an apology though, and wait patiently for a criminal investigation to be completed. Whatever.

I have to say I agree with many of the points you raise. I just saw this response, but I am on the way to work, and need a bit of time to formulate an articulate response. I have a certain interest in this topic and it hits close to home for me. I'll try to post my thoughts after work tonight and hopefully, add another dimension to peoples' perception of events.

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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
I probably answered some of this in my last post (probably before you posted). I know how the process should work - wait until the criminal part is done and go from there. I'm not about to criticize a pissed off spouse that isn't just in grief, but wants some fucking answers - yesterday.

If Mrs. Stack knew specifics, then she might (might) have some legal responsibility. You could say the same for any number of car crash scenarios. Should the victim of a deadly crash wait until grieving time is over before filing suit against the guilty driver's family/estate? That's a personal issue that I wouldn't judge someone over.

As for innocent until proven guilty - that's not what's going on here. Filing a lawsuit in civil court is the same as being charged with a criminal offense. There's no assumption of guilt/innocence either way, it's just a notice that you'll have a court date to explain your side.

Mrs. Hunter is probably jumping the gun, I've already agreed, but to turn around and jump to conclusions about her and toss out "frivolous" and "bitch" when she just had her husband killed by a fucked-in-the-head domestic terrorist is a bit much. No, it's way over the top.


Okay okay, I see your point now.

Perhaps calling her a bitch is over the top.

This is a terrible tragedy, and all parties are obviously dealing with a great bit of sorrow.

She may not be a bitch, but there is certainly a lack of empathy on her part.

Where that stems from, who exactly knows.

Either way, I still don't think I'd be throwing a lawsuit at anybody until I knew all the facts.

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