i'm not happy about it.

Rut, he's sarcastic about his enthusiasm.

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There are parts that I think are good, there are parts that I don't think I like so much.

The acrimony (not from you guys) surrounding the bill has really turned me off though. This is important shit, and both sides made politics more important than rational discussion.

yep! thats the problem... it doesn't make sense from a business stand point... politics drives me nuts because it seems to go against a business way of looking at things....

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The way I see it... id really prefer to not pay extra for bums, I dont mind paying extra for those who truely need it... but i work at tops and i see what kinda people exist... and i know there will be a lot more abusers than those who need it. I mean like I said I work at tops and I see what kinda people come through with like food stamps, and wic and all those government funded programs, and I understand that some people really do need it. But I also see a crap load of people that abuse it. On several occasions I have seen completely Obese people buy nothing but junk food, and things that are not healthy for them at all... And all i can think is wow, that is pathetic... What does this have to do with health care? Well... the way I see it... is people like that... people who just dont help themselves and are completely funded by the government will need medical attention eventually for their unhealthy bodies right? Heart problems, diabetes, liposuction, etc etc the list goes on and on... so who gets to pay for them? we do... I dont see how that is fair...

Im just glad that these taxes wont be used to fund abortions... cuz then I would be OVERLY pissed ... But I do believe that some people do need this and this will help them... but idk... Im not for it really at all...

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LETS GO BUFFALO!

It is just an extension of a flawed system, and welfare.

How to fix welfare; 1)Mandatory drug tests (we are directly funding a lot of drug cartels)
-This creates jobs in that people have to keep files and enforce and administer the drug tests

2) Make welfare embarrassing to be on, give a fair amount of money but not enough to live like everyone else. Welfare is supposed to be an assistance to people trying to get back on their feet, not a life supporting entity. This cause more people to aspire for more, and new ideas to surface, new companies, new jobs. As well more people will hopefully go to college, or at least finish high school.

Now to Health Care; This current system is supposed to be universal but no way in hell do the congressmen and women, use this system. Oh as well this system is worse than Canada's. At least everyone pays for the Canadian system (no way am i saying Canada's system is flawless). Smart people learn from the past of others and make things better. As well the American people I would assume do not enjoy having stuff crammed down their throats. Why did they throw everything in at once? They are banking on the majority of americans to be stupid and not read thoroughly, and basically bend over and take it in the ass. Oh and why do they want to institute a clause saying it is illegal to change things (but i have a psyche degree and that screams something isn't right). That in itself is illegal. I hope that clause passes. Cause right there and then this law is unconstitutional and is thrown out.

3) The american people deserve better than the current congress. The world has become one where the rich can run for power, and just get richer.

-To solve this i would institute that while in congress the congress people get healthcare but as soon as they are out they have to pay their own. Make them respect the position and the value of a dollar.

- As well term limits for all these politicians. It may seem hard seeing how slow congress moves. But lets face it congress needs a flush of new ideas every once in awhile. Lets say they get 4 terms.

4) This isn't really healthcare issue but i think it would make voting more popular and the system more bipartisan. Okay now i didn't vote obama biden, but i didn't vote mcCain palin either. I dislike palin, acts to much and lets face it biden, I'm thinking of words that begin with M - Moron, so to eliminate this troubling conundrum i put forth the idea that who ever wins the presidency is the president, and the runner up is the vice president. Lets face it is a two party system currently and if that changes in the future cough socialism cough or 3 party, it can be altered. But an obama/mcCain ticket, now that has some weight.

okay one last point. Have as many kids as you feel is practical. It is sad that those smart and driven do not have as many kids as those who live on welfare and pump out kids to increase that check. The smart people can take over it.

okay goodnight for tonight. (end on a rhyme such a pleasant thing to do).

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Are u surprised. the way the current gov't is politics and party ideals are more important than the people. congress votes for self, party, then people they represent.

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Ok, so, my partner and myself just finished looking at the Reconciled Bill.
Not bad, not great, but not bad.

My real concern is on the CBO numbers. If the merger with Medicare goes as planned the tax increase will be slight. If those numbers on that merger falter and inflate, even at a 1% increase, it will drive the savings potential into a downward fashion. Right now it looks as though those numbers are reasonable, at 1.13 trillion in savings over a 10 year period. But if you look at the tax increase, some off setting factors had better come to pass, or that 1.13 trillion could deflate to 50% of its current savings estimates. This is the good in the Bill.

The bad is obviously on the insurance industry, so much for their net profit margin.

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meh, the Federal government just mandated they get 30 million more customers. They'll be fine.

This thing isn't a done deal...not by a long shot.
After and if the fixes gets through the Senate, there are already legal challenges coming from at least 10 states among others.

I still contend it's unconstitutional to require everyone to buy a commercial product.
Sorry, the commerce clause doesn't cover this bullshit...not by a long shot.

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Agreed, but then again, they managed to get Social Security pushed through.
I wonder how the courts are going to preceive this entitlement program.

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Are you talking about the social security that was pushed through in the 60s? That had both democratic and republican support :/

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Social security was voted into law in 1935...and the constitutionality of it was hotly debated at the time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Sec ... of_the_Act

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Thanks for the fact checking - I guess I was thinking about medicare/medicaid

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Correct.

And the assualt on personal accountability continues, it knows no bounds, not even across generations.
You would think most, if not all Americans would have realized the downfall of programs such as these, but alas, history is doomed to repeat itself.

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You would also think people would look at these programs and realize every single one of them is unsustainable, underwater or already bankrupt.
They're all some form of a ponzi scheme.

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Yeppers, that was the jist of my post without getting into it, but you are correct.
The one that really stands out is social security, I mean really, its a tangible that is there for everyone to see.
The boomers generation out numbers the young, therefore, the mushroom forms and the stem can't hold the weight.

But, never fear XC, Immigration Reform is upon us, we will just add more people to the "youth" generation and their tax dollars will help offset the Boomer problem.................................

And the shell game continues, anyone find the pea yet?

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Operation Wetback anyone?

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Don't laugh, that is what a lot of Europe is already doing. What choice do they have??

That's what a lot of all this shit boils down to. What other choice do you have? We've got to hope our nation becomes great again. I certainly believe it's possible. Not just through producing goods either.

It is done. It is now law. We have joined some 40+ other nations that now offer health care to all or almost all.
I am seriously concerned about the cost of this program in the coming years. But, whats done is done.

We must move forward as a unified nation, even in the face of divisions on ideology of what has occured and what is yet to come. There is a war to wind down (Iraq), there is unfinished business in Afghanistan to tend to.
There is an economy that we have to confront head on, with the creation of jobs and stability to the financial markets.
And much more to achieve.

Regardless of what vision or direction people believe the direction of the country should take, we must all agree that we are Americans, and come hell or high water, at the end of the day, we can tackle these issues and "ALL" citizens need to take an active role in doing so. These are not small tasks, some may seem like an endless mountain to climb, but we are all inherintly tied to one another.

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Screw that.
I'm not rolling over.

1. something like 11 states are suing the Federal government over the constitutionality of this law. There is no precedent for this.
2. It doesn't kick in for 4 years so there's plenty of time to repeal it (2 election cycles).

This bill is complete shit no matter which side you're on.

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