Oh, and here's one from your favorite news source:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11 ... -strategy/

The main difference being none of those people are calling for Obama's head on a platter.
None of these people are calling him a war criminal.
They're politely giving him the benefit of the doubt while still protesting the war even though he's escalating it.

I think that's a big distinction...If the war in Afghanistan were gone tomorrow these same groups would protest for free palistine, or cuba or whatever the hell they're generally upset about.

This is my favorite though

That right there is evidence these people have no intention of holding Obama accountable.

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That's a condemnation from anti-war groups and a strongly worded letter from Michael Moore.
Seriously?
Where's the pigs blood and people handcuffing themselves to things?
Where are the outbursts from the viewing gallery in the Senate?

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I wasn't trying to prove that people were calling for Obama to be tried for war crimes, only that there is PLENTY of anti-war protesting about Afghanistan going on. And in that, I succeeded with flying colors.

OK then...there have been protests...sure.

I called Code Pink hypocrites though, and they are.

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Also, I think it's important to note here that maybe Obama isn't being vilified personally because there are plenty of people (I think including our Gulf veteran slesh) who think that the war in Afghanistan is much more justified than that in Iraq. So maybe that's a reason for your perceived "hypocrisy" from such groups as Code Pink.

Actually Cross, since the plan was drafted prior to the election of Bush in 2000 and it there is a good deal of circumstantial evidence to point to an investigation by the Bush administration on how to implement that very plan, I think its safe to say Karl Rove can atleast be charged with conspiracy. Just a soldiers point of view here.

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That's not enough for an arrest though.
Plausible deniability abounds.

And seriously....Karl Rove is the last guy worth pinching.
Bush, Colin Powell, Rumsfeld, Cheney etc. etc. etc.

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Code pink's mission statement:


They're hypocrites.

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Actually incorrect. My stance is one that has a profoundly deep affect on myself and my views due to what I have experienced first hand of war in conjuction with what I know to be historic actions taken across multiple administrations leading up to the events that unleashed 9/11.

Not the least of which was and still is the medelling of the U.S. in Soverign Nations internal affairs.
i.e. Supporting Iraq against Iran in the 80's and arming that nation, not only with conventional weapons, but some of the very WMD's that were sought out.
Backing the current Saudi Royal Family, which by the way, is one of the worst civil rights and personal liberty violators on the Planet.
The continued support of Isreal with arms sales and no sactions, particularly in recent history. It is one thing to support a nation who is threatened by their neibhors, but it is nothing short of internment camps what is going on in Gaza and the West Bank as Isreal continues a massive build out of land procured from 2 wars back in the 60's and 70's. Although, the Palestinians are most definitely the oppressed, they don't help their own cause any by murdering innocent people.
The actual destruction of the U.S. manufacturing base under the guise of "Global Economics" when in reality, all your doing is under cutting the current labor force in the U.S.


And the list could go on, across both Democrat and Republican administrations and control of congress.

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Sorry about speaking for you out of ignorance.

Sounds like we agree on more than just Iraq. Israel and Saudi Arabia are huge human right violators, and our biggest allies in the Middle East. "globalization" is nothing but global impoverization (not sure that's a word) to line the pockets of multinational corporations.

nice post.

Bill Clinton should be arrested for signing NAFTA

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I despise Bill Clinton as I have posted in these discussions many times. I just despise W. more.

Im a Republican but I actually liked Clinton. If you look at his politics and his policies, he is much more in line with todays right than the left. His centrist leanings were what got him elected in the first place.

Not to mention anyone who gets a blowy in multiple rooms of The White House rocks in my book. And kudos to Kennedy too, I bet he slammed something in every room in that place just so he could say he did!

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OH boy...

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Never have I suggested their speech be restricted.

No.
Elected leaders don't listen to this

Because staging a citizens arrest of Karl Rove is pointless and it makes them look sillier than they probably are.
I'm actually being way more civil than most liberals I hear discussing right wing grass roots movements.

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Holy change the topics(and villians) batman. I'll agree with you guys that Rove was the wrong target, but let's remember we are in both of these wars for DIFFERENT reasons. Bad(created?) intel got us into Iraq, while the war on terror took us into Afghanistan. Aside from the lives and money lost this is a sin simply for the reasons that EVEN THE TROOPS KNEW THEY WERE THERE ON A LIE. There's not many things worse than killing your armies morale, especially during time of war(the terror war). I think it's funny that in our other thread, there's conservative whackos who believe things that will never be true, but these same people called the Dems whackos for thinking that Bush lied. Now it's pretty much conceded that he did. Too bad Obama doesn't make mistakes as bad as Bush, maybe then they wouldn't have to fish for birth certificates, or do Hitler research.

Edit: one more point I want to make is that Mr. 'coalition' himself went AGAINST the U.N. to have his little war. If the government of Iraq voted to invade Kuwait, and the U.N. didn't back it, what would we call Saddam when he invaded??? Sound hypocritical to you??