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He's probably going to turn out to be a millionaire or something when he grows up.

And he'll probably spend it all on Tuna subs and dictionaries. I agree with Timbo though, there has to be some sort of mental disorder with this kid.

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This kid will probably cure cancer or something


Something tells me this is nowhere near where this poor sap's life ends up

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oh dear god...

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Ha, you all (well, most of you) have absolutely NO IDEA what on earth you're even talking about. Oh my goodness. What you think is the exception is the rule, and what you label the rule is the exception. The only thing I disliked about being homeschooled was having to deal with stupid questions from ignorant people who have formed their entire opinion of a thing from the <1% of it that gets media coverage. This kid wouldn't fit in a public, or private, school. Guess what? He wouldn't have fit with ANY of the currently and formerly homeschooled kids I know, either, and I know several dozen of them, all of whom are perfectly well-adjusted and social. They are never assumed to have been homeschooled, and you all come into contact every day with people who are/were homeschooled who are completely undetectable and normal, but you don't notice because that kid is NOTHING like them. Do I have to post research findings that completely contradict your beliefs? Because they all do.... I can generalize kids who were in public school their entire lives if you want me to.

I am almost 100% sure that that kid has Asperger syndrome, and a rather unkind case of it at that. To mock him for that is not something I enjoy.

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Guys, obviously there's something wrong with this kid. He's not like that because he's homeschooled, he's homeschooled because he's like that.

A lot of homeschoolers are normal. There are the weirdos who make their own clothing and stuff, but many homeschoolers are actually normal, and cool, and social.

Homeschoolers have a horrible reputation. Kids like this are the ones who give it to them, but I place the blame for this trainwreck on the idiot who decided to interview him live on CNN.


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I know home schoolers who are completely normal also, but the difference in social interaction is still way different if you hardly ever got out of the house while home schooled. If your parents brought you to home school groups where you could make friends you will have a much better social status and social awareness.

That kid most likely has some sort of disease, and has probably been kept away from large groups of people because of his condition.

Being home schooled is no different than public school with social interaction if the parents make an effort to have their kids be with other kids.

Being in a public school you get more diversity of social outlooks though, which only benefits later in life too.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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I know home schoolers who are completely normal also, but the difference in social interaction is still way different if you hardly ever got out of the house while home schooled. If your parents brought you to home school groups where you could make friends you will have a much better social status and social awareness.

That kid most likely has some sort of disease, and has probably been kept away from large groups of people because of his condition.

Being home schooled is no different than public school with social interaction if the parents make an effort to have their kids be with other kids.

Being in a public school you get more diversity of social outlooks though, which only benefits later in life too.


Even then it really doesn't matter, though, with the socialization thing... Kids' personalities are going to come out when they're older regardless of how they're raised; that's absolutely inborn and genetic. The most extroverted person I know by far was homeschooled until high school. My parents didn't care to get me to know a ton of kids (which is not the norm; typically families will indeed be involved in different co-op groups and the like), and I basically just knew my brothers, cousins, and the neighbor kids, and I turned out absolutely fine. I don't see how that's any different than a kid forming a group of friends and just hanging out with them all the time. I was exposed to other kids in church and at playgrounds and never had any problems despite hanging around just kids I had known my entire life (or theirs) otherwise. I think the socialization thing is just a little bit ridiculous. Kids who go to school are just as likely to be shy as kids who don't.

Now, the aforementioned EXTREME extrovert was sent to a high school by his parents because of how extroverted he was; being around just a few people wasn't enough to fill his energy tanks, but that's not the case for most people, even extroverts haha.

The only impact I've seen being homeschooled makes on socializing with others is that homeschoolers have a tendency to be more mature than others their age and oftentimes will prefer the company of adults, especially when other kids just sort of look at them odd when they use words that most kids their age don't know the definitions of. That's really it, though, and it's not that way for all kids. The ones it is, well, they're the ones that graduate college by the age of 18-20, usually, and go on to relate to others in perfectly normal ways. Not exactly a bad lot.

The worst part of everything is just dealing with the stupidity of adults. I remember being questioned about social activities by my doctor when I was seven and being smart about it because I knew what she was implying; I said, "Well, I'm talking to you normally, right?" :lol:

If I can, I would like to homeschool any children I have. When they hit junior high or high school I'll give them the option of attending school if they want, but until then... I just really don't like the education system. It teaches what, not how or why.

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I'd rather have my kids in public school, at least they will learn to be tough or DIE, spoken from Johnny Cash.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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He did seem to have some sort of autism. Also, that's national television -- maybe he was a little nervous? I was on the local news when I was like, 11, because I was in this bake-off contest. Watching it back now, I seriously came off as not having all my marbles. I forgot the item I had baked, and then laughed manically when they called me out on it. I can totally sympathize with this kid.


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acrossthelines wrote:
I am almost 100% sure that that kid has Asperger syndrome, and a rather unkind case of it at that. To mock him for that is not something I enjoy.


Definitely. Very extreme case.


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Timbo Slice wrote:
acrossthelines wrote:
I am almost 100% sure that that kid has Asperger syndrome, and a rather unkind case of it at that. To mock him for that is not something I enjoy.


Definitely. Very extreme case.

I have a kid on my swim team who has Aspbergers and he's home schooled. Very fixated on math...and is a hell of a swimmer too.

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From what I've seen, homeschooling largely depends (like just about anything) on the circumstances. There are homeschooled kids that are very active in the community in other ways be it field trips, boy scouts, or meeting with other homeschooled children, and there are those that are not.

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A friend of mine that I semi-knew in high school and went to college with has fairly severe aspergers. He doesn't grasp sarcasm very well and usually cannot tell if you're joking with him. He's the opposite of the kids in the videos though, he will not stop talking unless you stop him and will not notice any social cues to do so.

He was a funny kid though, never got pissed at any misunderstandings or awkwardness with him having aspergers and people that don't know a whole lot about it. I talked to him a little bit about it. It's funny, he's probably the whitest kid you'll ever meet and he went to one of the most ghetto public schools in Syracuse.

It pissed me off so much when people made fun of him. He's not the most athletic kid, but he loves rollerblading, and people would yell crap at him as he passed at college. It's like really, you have nothing better to do?

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He's obviously not like that due to being home schooled. He has a condition or something. People really think he's that way because he's home schooled? He has had social contact with other human beings duh...

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Los9090 wrote:
Timbo Slice wrote:
acrossthelines wrote:
I am almost 100% sure that that kid has Asperger syndrome, and a rather unkind case of it at that. To mock him for that is not something I enjoy.


Definitely. Very extreme case.

I have a kid on my swim team who has Aspbergers and he's home schooled. Very fixated on math...and is a hell of a swimmer too.


They're always fixated on someting. For the kid in the video, it's spelling. For the person you knew, it was math. I knew a kid who was obsessed with TV shows.


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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
A friend of mine that I semi-knew in high school and went to college with has fairly severe aspergers. He doesn't grasp sarcasm very well and usually cannot tell if you're joking with him. [b]He's the opposite of the kids in the videos though, he will not stop talking unless you stop him and will not notice any social cues to do so.][/b


:lol: :lol: Oh my gosh, yes! I knew a kid who just would not shut up. It was hilarious (Sometimes).


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I know this thread kind of strayed off-topic, but if you guys are interested in Asperger's you really should read the book, Born On A Blue Day by Daniel Tammet. He's an Autistic Savant and it's really fascinating to read his own words and have him try to explain what he sees in his mind and how he processes things. It really gives you an interesting perspective on the mysteries of Autism.

http://www.amazon.com/Born-Blue-Day-Ext ... 272&sr=8-1

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He's not autistic, so stop calling us out. He's just very abnormal.

That said, he's incredibly intelligent. He's already taking math classes at Berkeley. Here's an article:

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The similarities between a spelling bee and a mathematics competition are few. But whatever one may need to be successful at either, Evan O’Dorney has it in no short supply.

After correctly spelling “serrefine” and winning the 2007 Scripps National Spelling Bee, O’Dorney told anyone within earshot that mathematics is his true passion. He made everyone believers after tying for the top score on this year’s USA Mathematical Olympiad test and winning the Clay Olympiad Scholar Award for the most creative solution.

“The spelling bee win was very satisfying because it was my last year and I had spent two years studying intensely,” O’Dorney says. “But the USAMO win is much more exciting.”

O’Dorney spent last summer at the American Mathematics Competition’s Mathematical Olympiad Summer Program (MOSP) preparing for this year’s tests. He’ll return to MOSP this year, where he hopes to be practicing for a trip to Madrid for the International Mathematical Olympiad. O’Dorney and ten others will take the IMO team selection test [TST] in Washington, D.C., on June 7-8 while the 12 USAMO winners are in town for the USAMO awards ceremony on June 9.

“He was in the Honorable Mention group last year as an 8th grader, and made an impression on the rest of the camp,” MAA Director of Competitions Steve Dunbar says. “Now he's the top scorer on the USAMO, so the 2007 [MOSP] must have been great preparation.”

Evan’s mother, Jennifer O’Dorney, realized how special Evan was when he was young, and she thinks that homeschooling has allowed his mind to develop to its potential. “Evan was born with an exceptional mind,” she says. “His giftedness was apparent at seven-months when he tried to say our cat’s name, ‘Malcolm.’”

She adds, “Homeschooling has afforded Evan time to develop that giftedness, absorbing all the math his mentors and I could teach him, exploring and reading about his areas of interest in depth, and creating … always creating.”

And absorb math he has. Already taking college math courses at the University of California, Berkeley and planning to major in mathematics when the time comes, O’Dorney hopes to become a professor and do research.

“Math is neat: A statement is either true or false,” O’Dorney says. “In science, any theory can be overturned by experiment because science is founded on experiment. But in math, there are theorems that can never be overturned because they have been proved with logic.”

Evan’s mathematical support group begins with his parents. His father has an engineering and computer science background and loves to talk math with him, while his mother serves as his go-to person for almost anything at all.

“To encourage his love of math, I provide a listening ear and encouraging words,” his mother says. “Evan loves to talk through problems with me, and I must always be actively listening as he often poses mathematical questions while explaining his solutions step-by-step.”

She adds, “I also inject lots of humor.”

Ken Perano of Sandia National Laboratories has been O’Dorney’s mentor in advanced math and computer programming for the past five years. The Berkeley Math Circle and its founder Zvezdelina Stankova have encouraged O’Dorney to make up problems for the circle’s monthly contests and also help him select math courses to take at Berkeley. O’Dorney first took the AMC tests through the Berkeley Math Circle. Evan’s mother also credits his professors at Berkeley for their “caring and professional mentorship” of her son.

Besides math, O’Dorney likes computer programming, juggling, and reading the dictionary. He also enjoys playing the piano, and says he has a mind for music. “I really enjoy improvising on the piano and often compose music on staff paper,” O’Dorney says. “Music constantly streams through my head, though most of it never makes it out.”

His mother can tell stories about Evan learning sums at age 2 or multiplication at age 3, but she thinks that his drive and work ethic set him apart. “Math is Evan's passion,” she says. “Evan was truly pleased to win the USAMO.”

“The time he has spent reading, absorbing, thinking about, and solving math problems coupled with expert mentoring and MOSP 2007 instruction have prepared him to tackle the [IMO team selection test],” she says. “Whether he makes the IMO team or not, the MOSP 2008 experience will expand his knowledge and inspire him in his creative problem solving.”

According to Mom, “There was never, nor will there ever be, a dull moment spent with Evan O'Dorney.”


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That kid's demeanor is exactly like my suitemate's brother's, who has been diagnosed with Asperger syndrome. It's like he is the same person. That's why I suggested it. The fact that he is incredibly smart only adds to that perception, for me.

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He did seem to have some sort of autism. Also, that's national television -- maybe he was a little nervous? I was on the local news when I was like, 11, because I was in this bake-off contest. Watching it back now, I seriously came off as not having all my marbles. I forgot the item I had baked, and then laughed manically when they called me out on it. I can totally sympathize with this kid.


:lol: When I was nine I was in a play in front of several hundred people and forgot my lines. Cue random stumbling around, fumbling words, repeating myself all over the place, OOPS. I walked off that stage as fast as I could when it was over hahaha. Now I love public speaking and never have a problem with it. That makes sense.

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I would not want this guy as a professor.

Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
I'd rather have my kids in public school, at least they will learn to be tough or DIE, spoken from Johnny Cash.


The public schools you have attended must be MUCH more hardcore than the ones I've gone to.

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Asperger's is a form of autism, I believe.


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