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Pity that New Jersey is so low on that list, considering how successful that franchise has been.

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CV, I doubt that also, 12 of the 29 NASCAR tracks are in the North BTW. There is also a reason auto racing is broadcast every Sunday throughout the nation.

NASCAR is just as big in the North.


No, its not. The ratings are higher in southern cities. I guarantee it, if I could find local ratings to back it up, I would, but it's just hot air for now.

I was trying to find them also, but you never know, plenty of people I knew from PA liked NASCAR, and plenty of people like it here, mostly a pretty even mix.


PA isnt the north dude. its sketchy as all hell.

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CV, I doubt that also, 12 of the 29 NASCAR tracks are in the North BTW. There is also a reason auto racing is broadcast every Sunday throughout the nation.

NASCAR is just as big in the North.


No, its not. The ratings are higher in southern cities. I guarantee it, if I could find local ratings to back it up, I would, but it's just hot air for now.

I was trying to find them also, but you never know, plenty of people I knew from PA liked NASCAR, and plenty of people like it here, mostly a pretty even mix.


PA isnt the north dude. its sketchy as all hell.

Fuckin right, man. There's a reason it gets called "Pennsyltucky"

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There have been 9 season since 00-01. Thus 90 opportunities to finish in the top ten for the southern teams. (Below the MD line). Those teams make up 12/30 of the league (40%).

Of those 90 top ten attendance opportunities, southern teams make up 19%, or 17 top ten finishes in attendance in the last 9 years by a southern team.

The year after they "won" the cup, Dallas finished 15th.
The year after they "won" the up, Carolina finished 18th.
The year after they won the cup, Tampa Bay finished 1st. (How the f-in hell did that happen?)
The year after they won the cup, Anaheim finished 5th.

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Last season, the southern team with the highest TV rankings (American teams only) was St. Louis. They finished 9th.

San Jose was 10th.
Washington was 11th.
Dallas was 15th.
Phoenix was 16th.
Tampa Bay was 17th.
Los Angeles tied for 18th with New Jersey.
Anaheim was 20th.
Florida was 22nd.

Nashville and No one caresolina finished dead last because they were too embarassed to release local TV ratings.

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Let this be a lesson to everyone involved - do NOT fuck with Alex when stats are concerned. His spreadsheets will destroy you.

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And none of that takes into account market size, ticket prices, or the economy of the home city. Or the fact that the team may or may not have had criminal owners and been going bankrupt.

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NASCAR - Daytona 500

The top markets were

Greenville, SC (24.1 rating)
Greensboro, NC (22.5)
Charlotte, NC (21.1)
Orlando, FL (19.7)
Knoxville, TN (19.6)

Pittsburgh showed the most growth (7.1 to 12.8) but that barely begins to approach the ratings of the mentioned southern markets.

http://motorsportsnews.net/archives/1101

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Let this be a lesson to everyone involved - do NOT fuck with Alex when stats are concerned. His spreadsheets will destroy you.

I'm laughing as I'm reading those :lol: So true

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Los9090 wrote:
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Let this be a lesson to everyone involved - do NOT fuck with Alex when stats are concerned. His spreadsheets will destroy you.

I'm laughing as I'm reading those :lol: So true


I love me some stats :P And I'm particularly fascinated by ratings and attendance, which is why I have a spreadsheet with the average attendance and arena size for every team since 00-01 (The earliest year ESPN.com has those stats).

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And none of that takes into account market size, ticket prices, or the economy of the home city. Or the fact that the team may or may not have had criminal owners and been going bankrupt.

Also doesn't take into effect the poor records of many of those southern teams either.

Would you really want to see a losing team night in or night out really, Buffalo sure didn't when they went bankrupt and put a pathetic team on the ice either.

If a team is good, people tend to notice, it may not start out that way in a Southern Market, But Carolina was selling out all games in 08-09 towards the end of the year, this year they have sucked, but probably have sold out more games since they were doing strong.

Phoenix started out selling less than 8,000 tickets this year, and haven't they had a few sell outs since they are 4th in the West now?

You see a trend here? Most of these Southern Teams have poor Teams. Atlanta has made the playoffs once in their existence, why would you watch that team play if you know they won't be in the second season? St. Louis? Come on, that team has been in rebuild mode for some time also, Dallas, they started out pretty strong right after the lockout and when they won their cup, but now, they are almost last in the West, Washington has also sucked for so long, but with the season they are having and with Ovechkin, Washington DC will watch hockey and AO. Nashville, for some reason they seem ed to always make the playoffs, yet no one truly cares about them, same with the NHL, hardly hear anything about them. Tampa and Florida, Tampa notices when their team wins, as evident by the year after they won the cup, Florida on the otherhand hasn't had a playoff season in their existence also? Why watch them if you're a casual fan and they aren't doing very well? San Jose and Anaheim are doing fine also, San Jose wins alot so fans come to see their team play, Anaheim played poorly this year but probably filled at least top 15 in attendance this year, maybe lower since they weren't that good. La Kings haven't had this good of a team since Gretzky left, yet with their turnaround they are starting to fill the arena out.

The biggest trend for Southern teams is they simply suck with on ice quality, since it seems they don't know how to get good players or a good team, which also takes a few years normally to produce quality players on the ice.

So if your team sucks, why would you waste you time watching them just lose?

Go ahead and take your attendance figures from all those seasons and use them, but like you said, and I say now, most of these Southern Teams haven't made the playoffs very many times, that hurts fans of hockey.

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CV, I'm not sure what you are trying to say with your posts of raw facts, without commentary. Are there many, even most, of the southern markets that are not doing well in attendance? Yes, no one disputes that. However, your statement was,"Since they've received teams, every southern market has shown an inability to put butts in the seats."

That is just not true.

I agree with the general premise that Bettman's southern strategy has been a failure. However, that does not mean that there are no southern markets that the NHL should not try to develop. As I showed, Dallas has a strong market, including minor league and youth hockey. Tampa has also shown that they can support hockey, if the team is managed well. The same is true of some other non-traditional markets in the west.

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TSN showed the data points that the southeastern teams have been padding attendance numbers with free and discounted ticket giveaways and promotions for YEARS.

People aren't paying to go, they're getting freebies to go. That's not the sign of a good franchise. (See the John Rigas ownership of the Buffalo Sabres.)
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And none of that takes into account market size, ticket prices, or the economy of the home city. Or the fact that the team may or may not have had criminal owners and been going bankrupt.


You see a trend here? Most of these Southern Teams have poor Teams. Atlanta has made the playoffs once in their existence, why would you watch that team play if you know they won't be in the second season?

St. Louis? Come on, that team has been in rebuild mode for some time also,

Dallas, they started out pretty strong right after the lockout and when they won their cup, but now, they are almost last in the West,

Washington has also sucked for so long, but with the season they are having and with Ovechkin, Washington DC will watch hockey and AO.

Nashville, for some reason they seem ed to always make the playoffs, yet no one truly cares about them, same with the NHL, hardly hear anything about them.

Tampa and Florida, Tampa notices when their team wins, as evident by the year after they won the cup, Florida on the otherhand hasn't had a playoff season in their existence also? Why watch them if you're a casual fan and they aren't doing very well?

San Jose and Anaheim are doing fine also, San Jose wins alot so fans come to see their team play, Anaheim played poorly this year but probably filled at least top 15 in attendance this year, maybe lower since they weren't that good.

La Kings haven't had this good of a team since Gretzky left, yet with their turnaround they are starting to fill the arena out.

The biggest trend for Southern teams is they simply suck with on ice quality, since it seems they don't know how to get good players or a good team, which also takes a few years normally to produce quality players on the ice.

Go ahead and take your attendance figures from all those seasons and use them, but like you said, and I say now, most of these Southern Teams haven't made the playoffs very many times, that hurts fans of hockey.

You're killing me, I really don't know where you're going with this paragraph. Its all over the place, doesn't really make sense, and doesn't carry a lot of validity...But what I gather is that you are stating no one wants to see a bad product on the ice.

But then you say Nashville can't fill their arena with a good season and Anahiem "probably" is filling theirs with a poor season. And St. Louis is rebuilding but they did make the playoffs last year and were challenging for a spot again this season. And FYI, Florida went to the Cup final in 1996 and made the playoffs in 2000.

I agree fans aren't going to want to see a terrible product on the ice, NY Islanders for one which is a frustrating franchise to cheer for...but that is a team in rebuild mode. The Flyers weren't filling their arena when they stunk up the joint a few years ago. There were even empty seats at ACC this year. But I'm sure players find more inspiration playing in filled up arena then they do in one that is half full.

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Also doesn't take into effect the poor records of many of those southern teams either.


    The year they won the cup, Carolina finished 24th. 24th! The year after they finished 18th in attendance. People still don't want to go, even if the team is good.

    San Jose always has a great team. They barely crack the top ten most years, if they do at all.

    Dallas was 15th the year after they had just been to the finals twice!

    To their credit, Tampa Bay and Anaheim did respond with good attendance years after their cups. First and fifth respectively. But Anaheim had been decent for a while, and couldn't crack the top 15.

    Nashville can't even crack the top 20 and thsir team is pretty good. St. Louis made the playoffs last year and they were 17th.

    Atlanta won their division in 06-07, was 22nd in attendance.

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If a team is good, people tend to notice, it may not start out that way in a Southern Market, But Carolina was selling out all games in 08-09 towards the end of the year, this year they have sucked, but probably have sold out more games since they were doing strong.


They still finished 21st in attendance that year. Everyone sells out more games towards the end of the season.

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Phoenix started out selling less than 8,000 tickets this year, and haven't they had a few sell outs since they are 4th in the West now?


They're still DEAD FUCKING LAST by 5% points. (67% of seats filled).

Most of these Southern Teams have poor Teams.
Even in good years, their attendance still sucks with two exceptions.


Atlanta has made the playoffs once in their existence.
And their attendance sucked that year and the year after.


San Jose wins alot so fans come to see their team play.
Yet they still barely crack the top ten most years, if they do at all, and the people there are loaded.


Anaheim played poorly this year but probably filled at least top 15 in attendance this year, maybe lower since they weren't that good
Way to cover all your bases. Anaheim was 20th.





So if you win a cup, then there's less than a 50-50 chance your attendance will be respectable. It isn't a simple case of, if the teams were good, people will show. That has shown itself to not be the case.

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However, your statement was,"Since they've received teams, every southern market has shown an inability to put butts in the seats."

That is just not true.


Since 00-01. Italics are playoff years.

San Jose
6th, 7th, 7th, 15th, 14th, 11th, 12th, 10th, 5th. (And I conceded that this was the one team that might be the exception. It just depends if you want to penalize them for not showing up to watch a team that is usually excellent.

Tampa Bay
26th, 26th, 19th, 14th, 1st, 2nd, 15th, 27th, 25th

Anaheim
25th, 30th, 23rd, 16th, 20th, 16th, 5th, 15th, 20th

Dallas
15th, 4th, 3rd, 9th, 13th, 15th, 13th, 18th, 18th

Los Angeles
17th, 15th, 13th, 10th, 12th, 19th, 18th, 20th, 17th

Washington
21st, 13th, 17th, 26th, 28th, 27th, 24th, 13th, 10th

No one caresolina
29th, 23rd, 21st, 29th, 24th, 18th, 20th, 21st, 24th

Nashville
14th, 20th, 26th, 27th, 22nd, 21st, 22nd, 22nd, 21st

St. Louis
2nd, 10th, 14th, 12th, 29th, 29th, 19th, 17th, 15th

Atlanta
23rd, 29th, 29th, 24th, 23rd, 22nd, 23rd, 30th, 29th

Phoenix
24th, 28th, 27th, 17th, 21st, 23rd, 27th, 28th, 30th

Florida
27th, 22nd, 24th, 22nd, 25th, 25th, 30th, 29th, 26th


For the sake of setting a standard, we'll say 15th or worse in attendance constitutes not putting butts in the seats. Which is every team. The only one that begins to escape this is the one that has made the playoffs 8 of the last 9 years, winning their division in 4 of them, and advancing past the first round 7 times which is probably beyond the reasonable expectations of any fan.

So yes. EVERY southern team has failed at putting butts in the seats. The only way to (barely) not fail in the south is to (probably) put up the best overall record in the league for about ten straight years.

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CV, I doubt that also, 12 of the 29 NASCAR tracks are in the North BTW. There is also a reason auto racing is broadcast every Sunday throughout the nation.

NASCAR is just as big in the North.


No, its not. The ratings are higher in southern cities. I guarantee it, if I could find local ratings to back it up, I would, but it's just hot air for now.

I was trying to find them also, but you never know, plenty of people I knew from PA liked NASCAR, and plenty of people like it here, mostly a pretty even mix.


PA isnt the north dude. its sketchy as all hell.


Wtf PA is apart of NE U.S...

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Post the percentage of seats filled then, that is a better way to determine attendance really, not what rank in the league.

Post the actual percentage of the seats filled. And we'll determine how many fans went to each game, or at least had the tickets.

If you do that, I'll look up arena seating and calculate the totals. Because even if you're selling 88% of an 18000 seat arena, that is 15000 seats so that means people care.

If Phoenix hadn't been through all their turmoil and had a better team last year, you'd see many more of the non skewed attendance ratings.

Also, on opening draft day when it was awarded to Carolina, it drew the LARGEST opening day attendance of over 14,000, you still trying to say people don't actually care about little things like that.

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Anaheim 41 553470 13499 17174 0.786013742 2317.25543 30 Anaheim 41 492089 12002 17174 0.698847094 23 Anaheim 41 573524 13988 17174 0.814487015 16 Anaheim 41 614476 14987 17174 0.872656341 20 Anaheim 41 620380 15131 17174 0.881041109 13 Dallas 41 730979 17828 18532 5 Anaheim 41 704932 17193 17174 1.001106324 15 Anaheim 41 696629 16990 17174 0.98928613 1 Chicago 41 912155 21329 20500 1.040439024
Atlanta 41 625780 15262 18545 0.822971151 0.82729357 29 Atlanta 41 560404 13668 18545 0.737018064 29 Atlanta 41 552535 13476 18545 0.726664869 24 Atlanta 41 619965 15121 18545 0.815368024 23 Atlanta 41 637578 15550 18545 0.838500944 1 Toronto 41 798981 19487 18819 1.035496041 23 Atlanta 41 649081 15831 18545 0.853653276 30 Atlanta 41 599673 14626 18545 0.788676193 2 Toronto 41 791795 19260 18819 1.023433764
Boston 41 632746 15432 17565 0.878565329 0.907591014 19 Boston 41 631546 15403 17565 0.876914318 18 Boston 41 616197 15029 17565 0.855621976 19 Boston 41 620469 15133 17565 0.861542841 18 Boston 41 664673 16211 17565 0.922914888 2 Tampa Bay 41 814944 19876 19500 1.019282051 21 Boston 41 630750 15384 17565 0.875832622 16 Boston 41 698638 17039 17565 0.970054085 3 Vancouver 41 763830 18810 18630 1.009661836
Buffalo 41 731438 17839 18690 0.95446763 0.924077047 17 Buffalo 41 705468 17206 18690 0.920599251 28 Buffalo 41 564827 13776 18690 0.737078652 23 Buffalo 41 626903 15290 18690 0.818084537 19 Buffalo 41 692329 16886 18690 0.903477796 3 Buffalo 41 766290 18690 18690 1 1 Buffalo 41 817956 19950 18690 1.06741573 12 Buffalo 41 759798 18531 18690 0.991492777 4 Pittsburgh 41 695997 17078 16940 1.008146399
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Carolina 41 547584 13355 18680 0.71493576 0.832146681 23 Carolina 41 635868 15508 18680 0.830192719 21 Carolina 41 642973 15682 18680 0.839507495 29 Carolina 41 505534 12330 18680 0.66006424 24 Carolina 41 639454 15596 18680 0.83490364 5 Detroit 41 822706 20066 20066 1 20 Carolina 41 681962 16633 18680 0.890417559 21 Carolina 41 679488 16572 18680 0.887152034 6 Philadelphia 41 801372 19526 19519 1.000358625
Chicago 41 614875 14996 20500 0.731512195 0.801768293 27 Chicago 41 638324 15568 20500 0.759414634 30 Chicago 41 606580 14794 20500 0.721658537 30 Chicago 41 543374 13253 20500 0.646487805 30 Chicago 41 546075 13318 20500 0.649658537 6 Edmonton 41 690399 16839 16839 1 28 Chicago 41 689377 16814 20500 0.820195122 1 Chicago 41 912155 22247 20500 1.085219512 7 Calgary 41 790849 19289 19289 1
Colorado 41 738287 18007 18007 1 0.974017049 3 Colorado 41 738287 18007 18007 1 2 Colorado 41 738287 18007 18007 1 3 Colorado 41 738287 18007 18007 1 6 Colorado 41 738287 18007 18007 1 7 Montreal 41 872193 21273 21273 1 17 Colorado 41 690552 16842 18007 0.935302938 23 Colorado 41 632602 15429 18007 0.856833454 8 Edmonton 41 690399 16839 16839 1
Columbus 41 715738 17457 18144 0.962136243 0.937031526 6 Columbus 41 743576 18136 18144 0.999559083 11 Columbus 41 727522 17744 18144 0.977954145 13 Columbus 41 712145 17369 18144 0.957286155 17 Columbus 41 688655 16796 18144 0.925705467 8 NY Rangers 41 746200 18200 18200 1 29 Columbus 41 607757 14823 18144 0.816964286 24 Columbus 41 637284 15543 18144 0.856646825 9 Montreal 41 872193 21273 21273 1
Dallas 41 697041 17001 18532 0.917386143 4645.978564 4 Dallas 41 759812 18532 18532 1 3 Dallas 41 759812 18532 18532 1 9 Dallas 41 752556 18355 18532 0.990448953 9 Vancouver 41 763830 18630 18630 1 18630 15 Dallas 41 734508 17914 18532 0.966652277 18 Dallas 41 724911 17680 18532 0.954025469 10 Washington 41 741992 18277 18277 1
Detroit 41 819795 19995 20066 0.996461676 0.990574748 5 Detroit 41 822378 20058 20066 0.999601316 4 Detroit 41 822378 20058 20066 0.999601316 4 Detroit 41 822706 20066 20066 1 9 Detroit 41 822646 20064 20066 0.999900329 10 Minnesota 41 760280 18543 18568 0.998653598 16 Detroit 41 773696 18870 20066 0.940396691 14 Detroit 41 814474 19865 20066 0.989983056 11 NY Rangers 41 745085 18073 18200 0.993021978
Edmonton 41 640085 15611 16839 0.927074054 0.993339708 11 Edmonton 41 680307 16592 16839 0.985331671 9 Edmonton 41 682960 16657 16839 0.989191757 1 Edmonton 41 724780 17677 16839 1.049765426 10 Edmonton 41 690143 16832 16839 0.999584298 11 San Jose 41 714316 17422 17496 0.995770462 7 Edmonton 41 690399 16839 16839 1 6 Edmonton 41 690399 16839 16839 1 12 Buffalo 41 759798 18529 18690 0.991385768
Florida 41 601857 14679 19250 0.762545455 0.832495235 22 Florida 41 659040 16074 19250 0.835012987 24 Florida 41 632552 15428 19250 0.801454545 22 Florida 41 653380 15936 19250 0.827844156 25 Florida 41 656587 16014 19250 0.831896104 12 Philadelphia 41 790591 19282 19519 0.987857985 30 Florida 41 632881 15436 19250 0.80187013 29 Florida 41 640496 15621 19250 0.811480519 13 Minnesota 41 761288 18398 18568 0.990844464
Los Angeles 41 658340 16057 18118 0.886245722 0.944672185 15 Los Angeles 41 687002 16756 18118 0.92482614 13 Los Angeles 41 720366 17569 18118 0.969698642 10 Los Angeles 41 733464 17889 18118 0.987360636 12 Los Angeles 41 731405 17839 18118 0.984600949 13 Colorado 41 722127 17612 18007 0.978064086 18 Los Angeles 41 680877 16606 18118 0.91654708 20 Los Angeles 41 676042 16488 18118 0.91003422 14 Boston 41 698638 17384 17565 0.989695417
Minnesota 41 751468 18328 18568 0.987074537 0.993149574 8 Minnesota 41 756686 18455 18568 0.993914261 6 Minnesota 41 758536 18500 18568 0.996337785 6 Minnesota 41 759736 18530 18568 0.997953468 4 Minnesota 41 761614 18575 18568 1.000376993 14 Pittsburgh 41 673395 16424 16940 0.969539551 8 Minnesota 41 761288 18568 18568 1 7 Minnesota 41 761288 18568 18568 1 15 St. Louis 41 760732 18876 19250 0.980571429
Montreal 41 824308 20105 21273 0.945094721 0.972351339 14 Montreal 41 821140 20027 21273 0.941428101 12 Montreal 41 847586 20672 21273 0.971748225 11 Montreal 41 842767 20555 21273 0.966248296 7 Montreal 41 872194 21273 21273 1 16 Anaheim 41 671965 16389 17174 0.954291371 9 Montreal 41 872193 21273 21273 1 8 Montreal 41 872193 21273 21273 1 16 Detroit 41 814474 19546 20066 0.974085518
Nashville 42 662226 15767 17113 0.921346345 0.857968851 20 Nashville 41 606347 14788 17113 0.864138374 26 Nashville 41 542367 13228 17113 0.772979606 27 Nashville 41 539450 13157 17113 0.768830713 22 Nashville 41 591556 14428 17113 0.843101736 17 Ottawa 41 794271 19372 20500 0.94497561 22 Nashville 41 611328 14910 17113 0.871267457 22 Nashville 41 615439 15010 17113 0.877110968 17 Los Angeles 41 676042 17293 18118 0.954465173
New Jersey 41 641340 15642 18625 0.839838926 0.834918188 21 New Jersey 41 652957 15925 18625 0.855033557 25 New Jersey 41 609218 14858 18625 0.797744966 25 New Jersey 41 617449 15059 18625 0.808536913 27 New Jersey 41 583448 14230 18625 0.764026846 18 Carolina 41 712861 17386 18680 0.930728051 26 New Jersey 41 638144 15564 18625 0.835651007 26 New Jersey 41 647397 15790 18625 0.847785235 18 Dallas 41 724911 17215 18532 0.928933736
NY Islanders 41 464627 11332 16234 0.698041148 0.844145906 18 NY Islanders 41 596498 14548 16234 0.896143896 15 NY Islanders 41 612154 14930 16234 0.919674757 21 NY Islanders 41 561419 13693 16234 0.843476654 26 NY Islanders 41 516973 12609 16234 0.776703215 19 Los Angeles 41 691229 16859 18118 0.930511094 25 NY Islanders 41 559247 13640 16234 0.840211901 25 NY Islanders 41 564697 13773 16234 0.848404583 19 Ottawa 41 776947 18214 20500 0.888487805
NY Rangers 41 746200 18200 18200 1 0.985107283 9 NY Rangers 41 739582 18038 18200 0.991098901 5 NY Rangers 41 744068 18148 18200 0.997142857 7 NY Rangers 41 741302 18080 18200 0.993406593 11 NY Rangers 41 743848 18142 18200 0.996813187 20 Columbus 41 672443 16401 18144 0.903935185 10 NY Rangers 41 746200 18200 18200 1 11 NY Rangers 41 745085 18172 18200 0.998461538 20 Anaheim 41 696629 15137 17174 0.881390474
Ottawa 41 729515 17793 20500 0.86795122 0.891408883 24 Ottawa 41 693684 16919 20500 0.825317073 22 Ottawa 41 705124 17198 20500 0.838926829 18 Ottawa 41 728101 17758 20500 0.866243902 15 Ottawa 41 798453 19474 20500 0.94995122 21 Nashville 41 625649 15259 17113 0.89166131 14 Ottawa 41 812665 19821 20500 0.966878049 19 Ottawa 41 776947 18949 20500 0.924341463 21 Nashville 41 615439 14936 17113 0.87278677
Philadelphia 41 802595 19575 19519 1.002868999 0.984239327 2 Philadelphia 41 802337 19569 19519 1.002561607 8 Philadelphia 41 792333 19325 19519 0.990060966 8 Philadelphia 41 794388 19375 19519 0.992622573 3 Philadelphia 41 805783 19653 19519 1.006865106 22 Atlanta 41 665862 16240 18545 0.875707738 4 Philadelphia 41 801797 19556 19519 1.001895589 4 Philadelphia 41 801372 19545 19519 1.001332035 22 Columbus 41 637284 15339 18144 0.845403439
Phoenix 41 583194 14224 17799 0.799146019 0.817110512 28 Phoenix 41 539770 13165 17799 0.739648295 27 Phoenix 41 542404 13229 17799 0.743244002 17 Phoenix 41 634152 15467 17799 0.868981403 21 Phoenix 41 638871 15582 17799 0.875442441 23 Phoenix 41 614519 14988 17799 0.842069779 27 Phoenix 41 607638 14820 17799 0.832631047 28 Phoenix 41 609907 14875 17799 0.835721108 23 New Jersey 41 647397 15436 18625 0.828778523
Pittsburgh 42 683655 16277 16940 0.960861865 0.905007863 16 Pittsburgh 41 641615 15649 16940 0.923789847 16 Pittsburgh 41 604788 14750 16940 0.870720189 28 Pittsburgh 41 486961 11877 16940 0.701121606 16 Pittsburgh 41 647975 15804 16940 0.932939787 24 Boston 41 605352 14764 17565 0.840535155 3 Pittsburgh 41 700137 17076 16940 1.008028335 3 Pittsburgh 41 695997 16975 16940 1.002066116 24 Carolina 41 679488 15240 18680 0.815845824
San Jose 41 716196 17468 17496 0.998399634 0.95575084 7 San Jose 41 714337 17422 17496 0.995770462 7 San Jose 41 711386 17350 17496 0.991655235 15 San Jose 41 649261 15835 17496 0.905064015 14 San Jose 41 690095 16831 17496 0.961991312 25 Florida 41 630183 15370 19250 0.798441558 12 San Jose 41 713863 17411 17496 0.995141747 10 San Jose 41 717023 17488 17496 0.999542753 25 Tampa Bay 41 676409 15458 19500 0.792717949
St. Louis 41 800319 19519 19250 1.013974026 0.917363628 10 St. Louis 41 777695 18968 19250 0.985350649 14 St. Louis 41 761388 18570 19250 0.964675325 12 St. Louis 41 760976 18560 19250 0.964155844 29 St. Louis 41 582742 14213 19250 0.738337662 26 NY Islanders 41 528331 12886 16234 0.79376617 19 St. Louis 41 722021 17610 19250 0.914805195 17 St. Louis 41 760732 18554 19250 0.963844156 26 Florida 41 640496 15127 19250 0.785818182
Tampa Bay 41 611173 14906 19500 0.764410256 0.868923429 26 Tampa Bay 41 644610 15722 19500 0.80625641 19 Tampa Bay 41 678354 16545 19500 0.848461538 14 Tampa Bay 41 730634 17820 19500 0.913846154 1 Tampa Bay 41 840887 20509 19500 1.05174359 27 Washington 41 571129 13929 18277 0.762105378 15 Tampa Bay 41 766412 18692 19500 0.958564103 27 Tampa Bay 41 676409 16497 19500 0.846 27 NY Islanders 41 564697 12647 16234 0.779043982
Toronto 41 789567 19257 18819 1.02327435 0.993873603 1 Toronto 41 790457 19279 18819 1.024443382 1 Toronto 41 788847 19240 18819 1.022371008 2 Toronto 41 794439 19376 18819 1.029597747 2 Toronto 41 795747 19408 18819 1.031298156 28 New Jersey 41 581225 14176 18625 0.761127517 2 Toronto 41 796803 19434 18819 1.032679739 2 Toronto 41 791795 19312 18819 1.026196929 28 Colorado 41 632602 13842 18007 0.768701061
Vancouver 41 698077 17026 18630 0.913902308 0.937807021 12 Vancouver 41 726226 17712 18630 0.950724638 10 Vancouver 41 754247 18396 18630 0.987439614 5 Vancouver 41 763830 18630 18630 1 8 Vancouver 41 763830 18630 18630 1 29 St. Louis 41 513345 12520 19250 0.65038961 11 Vancouver 41 763830 18630 18630 1 9 Vancouver 41 763830 18630 18630 1 29 Atlanta 41 599673 13473 18545 0.726503101
Washington 41 636914 15534 18277 0.849920665 0.83576966 13 Washington 41 710990 17341 18277 0.948788094 17 Washington 41 647272 15787 18277 0.8637632 26 Washington 41 603528 14720 18277 0.805383816 28 Washington 41 570113 13905 18277 0.760792253 30 Chicago 41 521809 12727 20500 0.620829268 24 Washington 41 634381 15472 18277 0.846528424 13 Washington 41 741992 18097 18277 0.990151557 30 Phoenix 41 609907 11989 17799 0.673577167


This season:


San Jose - 100%
Washington - 100%
St. Louis - 98%
Los Angeles - 95%
Dallas - 93%
Anaheim - 88%
Nashville - 87%
Carolina - 82%
Tampa Bay - 79%
Florida - 79&
Atlanta - 73%
Phoenix - 67%


Yes, even no one caresolina is selling 15,000 seats every game. But can you really call that success when 23 teams are filling a bigger percentage of their arena?

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