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 Post subject: Re: SCARY Stats
PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:58 pm 
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You nitpick too much and always try to find negative in everything, a win is a win no matter how it's earned or gained in the playoffs, you play shitty yet you still win, YOU STILL WON THE GAME!!!!!!


While you're busy handing out playoff wins before they even start, I'm simply pointing out that a best-of-7 flushes out the better team. When I say "better team", I am talking about great offense, great defense, a strong roster with at least a couple go-to guys, and consistancy in-goal and all around.

The fact that I, among others, point out that the Sabres fall short in several of these categories pisses you and others off. I don't really care. If this team is to be a strong contender vs. a "how the hell did they get up there" kind of team, they need to correct that pronto---that is if you want to see a cup one of these years.

I look past what they are in the standings right now because overall numbers can be deceiving.

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You're just a troll so why am I responding to you anyways, you can't reason with anyone and you can't ever accept our arguments, you'll never back away from what you have to say. I hope you like living under a bridge troll.


A troll? How hackneyed. And no, I cannot reason with reactionary fans who don't think past the current overall avg. numbers without any regard for the future. If your arguments aren't reasonable, why would I give in, just so I can also say "our" arguments? Learn to think and speak for yourself.

And if I was a troll, I certainly would have called you an asshole by now, and I haven't.


The Carolina Hurricanes would like to disagree with you. They lucked out by facing injured teams.

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Skyline_BNR34
 Post subject: Re: SCARY Stats
PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:45 am 
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I want to put some scary stats in his thread now:

8th in the league in goals scored a game. 4th in the league in goals against. 6th in the league in 5-on-5 goals for/against, over a 1. 16th in the league on the Powerplay. Tied for 1st in the league in PK. 7th in the league for shots a game. 20th in the league in shots against. 1.000% when leading after 2 periods, only team right now. We are 5th in the league in how little PIMS we take, coupled with the best PK in the league.

There are also a few other stats I find funny. The Detroit Redwings are LAST in the league in blocked shots. The teams with the most blocked shots are actually The Florida Panthers, New York Islanders, Montreal Candiens, Edmonton Oilers, and Philadelphis Flyers, and Toronto has the 6th most blocked shots in the league. The teams with the fewest blocked shots throughout the season are actually the best teams in the league, Like Detroit has the least, Then Anahiem, Boston, The Devils, Phoenix, LA Kings, and then Buffalo.

Buffalo has the third most giveaways, but the team with the fourth most is the San Jose Sharks, followed by the LA Kings, then Detroit, Washington is 11th in total giveaways.

Buffalo is dead last in hits though, Pittsburgh is dead last in takeaways, with Buffalo being 23rd in takeaways.

Buffalo has a .538% winning percentage in one goal games this season, good for 13th in the league.

Buffalo has been shutout 6 times, but Detroit has been shut out 9 times this season. Washington only has one shutout, at the hands of Buffalo this season. Chicago and Boston have the most shutouts this year, with the fewest going to Pittsburgh and Carolina.

Buffalo scores its most goals in the second period with 83 followed by 74 in the third, and we have scored 67 in the first so far, and with 6 OT goals this year.

Buffalo has allowed 65 goals in the first, 64 in the second and 66 in the third and 4 OT goals this year.

Just some stats to show you some scary things.

Buffalo is basically top ten in the most important stats except in the PP.

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powerplayer
 Post subject: Re: SCARY Stats
PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:47 am 
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

Just some stats to show you some scary things.

Buffalo is basically top ten in the most important stats except in the PP.



Little of what you posted is actually "scary", but instead rather predictable. ;)

Most teams in playoff position, particularly the top 5 in each conference, can dissect and extrapolte all kinds of cool things to show how great THEY are.

That probably has something to do with why they're all in playoff positions, especially the top 5. :shhh:


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Skyline_BNR34
 Post subject: Re: SCARY Stats
PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:07 pm 
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powerplayer wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

Just some stats to show you some scary things.

Buffalo is basically top ten in the most important stats except in the PP.



Little of what you posted is actually "scary", but instead rather predictable. ;)

Most teams in playoff position, particularly the top 5 in each conference, can dissect and extrapolte all kinds of cool things to show how great THEY are.

That probably has something to do with why they're all in playoff positions, especially the top 5. :shhh:

I showed every stat throughout a season that meant a damn, if you go to NHL.com it's right there, everything I posted came from a regular season, through 81 games so far.

Look again, this team is obviously a top 5 team in the league.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

Rud wrote:
As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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powerplayer
 Post subject: Re: SCARY Stats
PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 6:59 pm 
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

Just some stats to show you some scary things.

Buffalo is basically top ten in the most important stats except in the PP.



Little of what you posted is actually "scary", but instead rather predictable. ;)

Most teams in playoff position, particularly the top 5 in each conference, can dissect and extrapolte all kinds of cool things to show how great THEY are.

That probably has something to do with why they're all in playoff positions, especially the top 5. :shhh:

I showed every stat throughout a season that meant a damn, if you go to NHL.com it's right there, everything I posted came from a regular season, through 81 games so far.

Look again, this team is obviously a top 5 team in the league.


Many of those stats are either statements of inconsequential facts, like how much they score in each period (so what?), and comparisons to perennial playoff teams/cup winners that don't really mean anything.

There are excellent programs that perform consistantly season in, season out, year after year, who have shitty stats in some areas vs. teams that see the plaoffs once every leap year, if that. So?

The Sabres are in the top 3 in the east because of some of those stats. Nobody is surprised at that, it's an equation.


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Wozniak
 Post subject: Re: SCARY Stats
PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:15 pm 
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powerplayer wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

Just some stats to show you some scary things.

Buffalo is basically top ten in the most important stats except in the PP.



Little of what you posted is actually "scary", but instead rather predictable. ;)

Most teams in playoff position, particularly the top 5 in each conference, can dissect and extrapolte all kinds of cool things to show how great THEY are.

That probably has something to do with why they're all in playoff positions, especially the top 5. :shhh:

I showed every stat throughout a season that meant a damn, if you go to NHL.com it's right there, everything I posted came from a regular season, through 81 games so far.

Look again, this team is obviously a top 5 team in the league.


Many of those stats are either statements of inconsequential facts, like how much they score in each period (so what?), and comparisons to perennial playoff teams/cup winners that don't really mean anything.

There are excellent programs that perform consistantly season in, season out, year after year, who have shitty stats in some areas vs. teams that see the plaoffs once every leap year, if that. So?

The Sabres are in the top 3 in the east because of some of those stats. Nobody is surprised at that, it's an equation.

so what stats matter then?

you still havent answered my question about how you think the sabres will fair in the playoffs.

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 Post subject: Re: SCARY Stats
PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:57 pm 
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Wozniak wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:

Just some stats to show you some scary things.

Buffalo is basically top ten in the most important stats except in the PP.



Little of what you posted is actually "scary", but instead rather predictable. ;)

Most teams in playoff position, particularly the top 5 in each conference, can dissect and extrapolte all kinds of cool things to show how great THEY are.

That probably has something to do with why they're all in playoff positions, especially the top 5. :shhh:

I showed every stat throughout a season that meant a damn, if you go to NHL.com it's right there, everything I posted came from a regular season, through 81 games so far.

Look again, this team is obviously a top 5 team in the league.


Many of those stats are either statements of inconsequential facts, like how much they score in each period (so what?), and comparisons to perennial playoff teams/cup winners that don't really mean anything.

There are excellent programs that perform consistantly season in, season out, year after year, who have shitty stats in some areas vs. teams that see the plaoffs once every leap year, if that. So?

The Sabres are in the top 3 in the east because of some of those stats. Nobody is surprised at that, it's an equation.

so what stats matter then?

you still havent answered my question about how you think the sabres will fair in the playoffs.


I think Miller will do great. I think he is the premier goaltender in the league right now, but that can only take you so far. He will let some in.

How far the Sabres go depends entirely on whether the offense shows up. Given that there are no real go-to players (save Vanek in the past 24 hours), offense with this team is a crap shoot.

Boston has the potential to be HORRIBLE. Rask can save their bacon, but only so far. Needless to say, the first round will be the easiest. The 2nd round presents the Penz or the Sens, I really cannot see past that round.


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fly as hale
 Post subject: Re: SCARY Stats
PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:05 pm 
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Here's another stat...Boston is dead last in the league in Goals For with 196. Buffalo is 8th.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fe ... e=goalsFor

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 Post subject: Re: SCARY Stats
PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:59 pm 
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fly as hale wrote:
Here's another stat...Boston is dead last in the league in Goals For with 196. Buffalo is 8th.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fe ... e=goalsFor

I posted where Buffalo ranked in goals for for the season, and also in goals against.

One in the top 5 and the other top ten, he simply can't see stats that truly matter, like goals for and goals against.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

Rud wrote:
As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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powerplayer
 Post subject: Re: SCARY Stats
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
fly as hale wrote:
Here's another stat...Boston is dead last in the league in Goals For with 196. Buffalo is 8th.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fe ... e=goalsFor

he simply can't see stats that truly matter, like goals for and goals against.


I can't?

Sure I can. You just have blinders on to other variables that DO matter.

It's not always numbers on the page. Just ask any sports handicapper.


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Squanto
 Post subject: Re: SCARY Stats
PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:31 pm 
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Buffalo tied for the league lead in PK % with St. Louis at 86.8%.

With the importance of special teams in the playoffs, this bodes well.


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Skyline_BNR34
 Post subject: Re: SCARY Stats
PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:34 pm 
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powerplayer wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
fly as hale wrote:
Here's another stat...Boston is dead last in the league in Goals For with 196. Buffalo is 8th.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fe ... e=goalsFor

he simply can't see stats that truly matter, like goals for and goals against.


I can't?

Sure I can. You just have blinders on to other variables that DO matter.

It's not always numbers on the page. Just ask any sports handicapper.

So teams that score and keep the pucks out of the net don't matter the most?

I always thought the team who had more goals in the game won, I guess goals don't matter now?

Also if I'm blind to other stats, why did I post up most if not all that really mattered, like giveaways and takeaways and hits? Also blocked shots, which I found hardly any of the playoff teams led the league or were in the top ten for at the end of the season.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

Rud wrote:
As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Squanto
 Post subject: Re: SCARY Stats
PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:37 pm 
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powerplayer wrote:
It's not always numbers on the page. Just ask any sports handicapper.


Let's be honest here. Most handicappers are in business to sell you their picks, not pick winners.

On the flip side, if the numbers told you everything, there wouldn't be a reason to play the games. :)

You can't rely on stats for everything, nor can you choose to ignore them completely.


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