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CriminallyVu1gar
PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:29 pm 
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Post the percentage of seats filled then, that is a better way to determine attendance really, not what rank in the league.

Post the actual percentage of the seats filled. And we'll determine how many fans went to each game, or at least had the tickets.

If you do that, I'll look up arena seating and calculate the totals. Because even if you're selling 88% of an 18000 seat arena, that is 15000 seats so that means people care.

If Phoenix hadn't been through all their turmoil and had a better team last year, you'd see many more of the non skewed attendance ratings.

Also, on opening draft day when it was awarded to Carolina, it drew the LARGEST opening day attendance of over 14,000, you still trying to say people don't actually care about little things like that.


But if you're selling 88% of the league, your fans still suck because you're coming in around 20th in attendance compared to the rest of the league.

I see where the argument is going, that selling 15,000 seats isn't a failure to put asses in seats. Depending on your definition of success, that might be true. However, I think that you need to develop some context in which to define success, and the best way to do that is to rank them against other teams in the league. When assessed league wide, every single southern market fails to fill their arena, especially considering that every team (with the exception of Nashville and Carolina) exists in a relatively large market.

For attendance data, you can go here:
http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/sort/homePct

You will get the percentages for the past few years. Otherwise you have to do your own calcs.

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How do the Blackhawks, Leafs, Canucks, Wild, Penguins and Sharks have above 100%?

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How do the Blackhawks, Leafs, Canucks, Wild, Penguins and Sharks have above 100%?


Some arenas sell standing room only tickets, or their arena size is inaccurately listed.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Post the percentage of seats filled then, that is a better way to determine attendance really, not what rank in the league.

Post the actual percentage of the seats filled. And we'll determine how many fans went to each game, or at least had the tickets.

If you do that, I'll look up arena seating and calculate the totals. Because even if you're selling 88% of an 18000 seat arena, that is 15000 seats so that means people care.

If Phoenix hadn't been through all their turmoil and had a better team last year, you'd see many more of the non skewed attendance ratings.

Also, on opening draft day when it was awarded to Carolina, it drew the LARGEST opening day attendance of over 14,000, you still trying to say people don't actually care about little things like that.


But if you're selling 88% of the league, your fans still suck because you're coming in around 20th in attendance compared to the rest of the league.

I see where the argument is going, that selling 15,000 seats isn't a failure to put asses in seats. Depending on your definition of success, that might be true. However, I think that you need to develop some context in which to define success, and the best way to do that is to rank them against other teams in the league. When assessed league wide, every single southern market fails to fill their arena, especially considering that every team (with the exception of Nashville and Carolina) exists in a relatively large market.

For attendance data, you can go here:
http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/sort/homePct

You will get the percentages for the past few years. Otherwise you have to do your own calcs.

True, league wide it's a failure, but then again it's not doing bad if you can sell almost 90% of all seats, especially in markets which hockey hasn't been for too terribly long.

Carolina's not that small of a market really, You have the Triangle area which is around 2 million people and nearby Fayetteville which with all those markets together are closer to 3 million.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Post the percentage of seats filled then, that is a better way to determine attendance really, not what rank in the league.

Post the actual percentage of the seats filled. And we'll determine how many fans went to each game, or at least had the tickets.

If you do that, I'll look up arena seating and calculate the totals. Because even if you're selling 88% of an 18000 seat arena, that is 15000 seats so that means people care.

If Phoenix hadn't been through all their turmoil and had a better team last year, you'd see many more of the non skewed attendance ratings.

Also, on opening draft day when it was awarded to Carolina, it drew the LARGEST opening day attendance of over 14,000, you still trying to say people don't actually care about little things like that.


But if you're selling 88% of the league, your fans still suck because you're coming in around 20th in attendance compared to the rest of the league.

I see where the argument is going, that selling 15,000 seats isn't a failure to put asses in seats. Depending on your definition of success, that might be true. However, I think that you need to develop some context in which to define success, and the best way to do that is to rank them against other teams in the league. When assessed league wide, every single southern market fails to fill their arena, especially considering that every team (with the exception of Nashville and Carolina) exists in a relatively large market.

For attendance data, you can go here:
http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/sort/homePct

You will get the percentages for the past few years. Otherwise you have to do your own calcs.

True, league wide it's a failure, but then again it's not doing bad if you can sell almost 90% of all seats, especially in markets which hockey hasn't been for too terribly long.

Carolina's not that small of a market really, You have the Triangle area which is around 2 million people and nearby Fayetteville which with all those markets together are closer to 3 million.


True, I just used the greater metro area or whatever the hell the census uses, which was 1.6M, but I think it was from 2006 because they only do it every 4 years. Could be wrong there, but I know the number is a little old and therefore small.

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How is hockey in Dallas? Check out the fans' appreciation for Mike Madano's last regular-season home game.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_d ... nhl,233098

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All I know me and a friend are going to this game.

A friend who by the way doesn't follow hockey as fruitlessly as I do. Too bad he's a Flyer's fan, but he CALLED me and told me we were going.

Wonder how much this is going to cost though, anyone know prices on the tickets to the weekend events for the All-Star Festivities?

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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