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 Post subject: Re: 4-16 Playoffs
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Well what do you guys consider an elbow? His arm WAS against his body, but the bicept area was what contacted the head. It really does look like leopolds fault for both having his head down, AND leaning/tilting forward so that the only place sutton could hit him was his head. If you're not going to look at whats ahead of you, at least dont put yourself in such a vulnerable position. It was definitely an asshole hit with intent to injure, but...I think technically it was ok, although with the new headhunting 'rules' i'm not sure what's legal anymore.

But overall, his arm was connected to his body, what is he supposed to do, move his arm out of the way and hit him with his upper side chest?



Put your hating of Pittsburgh away and look at it again, its elbow no question about it.

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It's an elbow... Who ever says something else... Really... You need glasses.


How many times have you seen the replay? I've been slow-mo replaying it on the DVR since the first period ended. His arm was against his body.


I watched every replay plus the incident. His elbow hit the head. He had it out in a triangle, and rammed it into his head.

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 Post subject: Re: 4-16 Playoffs
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Yankee, from my looks at it, the elbow was coming up before contact. I can rewind it back and look again, but when I did that right after the hit, that's what it looked like to me.
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 Post subject: Re: 4-16 Playoffs
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It's an elbow... Who ever says something else... Really... You need glasses.


How many times have you seen the replay? I've been slow-mo replaying it on the DVR since the first period ended. His arm was against his body.


I watched every replay plus the incident. His elbow hit the head. He had it out in a triangle, and rammed it into his head.


I agree with you Blue, its with out a doubt an elbow. I'd be for the hit if he was hip checked or something or at least hit with a shoulder.

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 Post subject: Re: 4-16 Playoffs
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Are you kdding me from the Jersey game????? Clarkson hit the puck first on a breakaway by Ashman

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PENALTY SHOT!!!


No but that was not a penalty.

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patkane88 wrote:
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Well what do you guys consider an elbow? His arm WAS against his body, but the bicept area was what contacted the head. It really does look like leopolds fault for both having his head down, AND leaning/tilting forward so that the only place sutton could hit him was his head. If you're not going to look at whats ahead of you, at least dont put yourself in such a vulnerable position. It was definitely an asshole hit with intent to injure, but...I think technically it was ok, although with the new headhunting 'rules' i'm not sure what's legal anymore.

But overall, his arm was connected to his body, what is he supposed to do, move his arm out of the way and hit him with his upper side chest?



Put your hating of Pittsburgh away and look at it again, its elbow no question about it.


? I hate Ottawa, I'm kind of indifferent to Pitt.

There is question about it. I do agree that Suttons elbow/forearm hit Leopolds head, no doubt about that...But his arm started against his own body for the hit. From my understanding thats supposed to be legal.
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 Post subject: Re: 4-16 Playoffs
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 Post subject: Re: 4-16 Playoffs
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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
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Well what do you guys consider an elbow? His arm WAS against his body, but the bicept area was what contacted the head. It really does look like leopolds fault for both having his head down, AND leaning/tilting forward so that the only place sutton could hit him was his head. If you're not going to look at whats ahead of you, at least dont put yourself in such a vulnerable position. It was definitely an asshole hit with intent to injure, but...I think technically it was ok, although with the new headhunting 'rules' i'm not sure what's legal anymore.

But overall, his arm was connected to his body, what is he supposed to do, move his arm out of the way and hit him with his upper side chest?



Put your hating of Pittsburgh away and look at it again, its elbow no question about it.


? I hate Ottawa, I'm kind of indifferent to Pitt.

There is question about it. I do agree that Suttons elbow/forearm hit Leopolds head, no doubt about that...But his arm started against his own body for the hit. From my understanding thats supposed to be legal.


Well the NHL is suppose to call every hit to the head now a days and I thought for sure seeing Leopold Ko'ed Sutton should have been kicked out

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 Post subject: Re: 4-16 Playoffs
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He had it out in a triangle,


Thats just plain false. His arm was not 'out'...it was in a triangle, but it was pointed down, not out. I've watched from 3 different angles that VS provides so far, in slow motion, multiple times, I'm tellin you guys this was 'clean'. I mean what the fuck, I have no dog in this fight, and I sincerely do not care enough to continue arguing about this...but i've watched what must now be considered an odd number of replays of it, and i'm sure of what i'm seeing.
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 Post subject: Re: 4-16 Playoffs
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patkane88 wrote:
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
patkane88 wrote:
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Well what do you guys consider an elbow? His arm WAS against his body, but the bicept area was what contacted the head. It really does look like leopolds fault for both having his head down, AND leaning/tilting forward so that the only place sutton could hit him was his head. If you're not going to look at whats ahead of you, at least dont put yourself in such a vulnerable position. It was definitely an asshole hit with intent to injure, but...I think technically it was ok, although with the new headhunting 'rules' i'm not sure what's legal anymore.

But overall, his arm was connected to his body, what is he supposed to do, move his arm out of the way and hit him with his upper side chest?



Put your hating of Pittsburgh away and look at it again, its elbow no question about it.


? I hate Ottawa, I'm kind of indifferent to Pitt.

There is question about it. I do agree that Suttons elbow/forearm hit Leopolds head, no doubt about that...But his arm started against his own body for the hit. From my understanding thats supposed to be legal.


Well the NHL is suppose to call every hit to the head now a days and I thought for sure seeing Leopold Ko'ed Sutton should have been kicked out



True...and, I agree. Fuck, that was intent to injure pretty clearly, whether or not he technically hit him 'correctly', he should be punished in some way for taking that shot.
Although...would we feel the same if that was Kaleta destroying Neal?
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 Post subject: Re: 4-16 Playoffs
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 Post subject: Re: 4-16 Playoffs
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patkane88 wrote:
Well the NHL is suppose to call every hit to the head now a days and I thought for sure seeing Leopold Ko'ed Sutton should have been kicked out


Not quite.

For starters, there is no penalty until next year. Right now it's only 'subject to supplemental discipline', which is horseshit because EVERYTHING is ALWAYS subject to supplemental discipline.

Secondly, that hit would not be illegal next year either. The only illegal head hits are from the sides or the back. Skating full blast into someones face with your arm at your side is still considered a clean hit.
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 Post subject: Re: 4-16 Playoffs
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Cory Clouston's face scares the fuck out of me.

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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
patkane88 wrote:
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
patkane88 wrote:
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Well what do you guys consider an elbow? His arm WAS against his body, but the bicept area was what contacted the head. It really does look like leopolds fault for both having his head down, AND leaning/tilting forward so that the only place sutton could hit him was his head. If you're not going to look at whats ahead of you, at least dont put yourself in such a vulnerable position. It was definitely an asshole hit with intent to injure, but...I think technically it was ok, although with the new headhunting 'rules' i'm not sure what's legal anymore.

But overall, his arm was connected to his body, what is he supposed to do, move his arm out of the way and hit him with his upper side chest?



Put your hating of Pittsburgh away and look at it again, its elbow no question about it.


? I hate Ottawa, I'm kind of indifferent to Pitt.

There is question about it. I do agree that Suttons elbow/forearm hit Leopolds head, no doubt about that...But his arm started against his own body for the hit. From my understanding thats supposed to be legal.


Well the NHL is suppose to call every hit to the head now a days and I thought for sure seeing Leopold Ko'ed Sutton should have been kicked out



True...and, I agree. Fuck, that was intent to injure pretty clearly, whether or not he technically hit him 'correctly', he should be punished in some way for taking that shot.
Although...would we feel the same if that was Kaleta destroying Neal?


Neil is not human so its okay ;)

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 Post subject: Re: 4-16 Playoffs
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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
patkane88 wrote:
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
patkane88 wrote:
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Well what do you guys consider an elbow? His arm WAS against his body, but the bicept area was what contacted the head. It really does look like leopolds fault for both having his head down, AND leaning/tilting forward so that the only place sutton could hit him was his head. If you're not going to look at whats ahead of you, at least dont put yourself in such a vulnerable position. It was definitely an asshole hit with intent to injure, but...I think technically it was ok, although with the new headhunting 'rules' i'm not sure what's legal anymore.

But overall, his arm was connected to his body, what is he supposed to do, move his arm out of the way and hit him with his upper side chest?



Put your hating of Pittsburgh away and look at it again, its elbow no question about it.


? I hate Ottawa, I'm kind of indifferent to Pitt.

There is question about it. I do agree that Suttons elbow/forearm hit Leopolds head, no doubt about that...But his arm started against his own body for the hit. From my understanding thats supposed to be legal.


Well the NHL is suppose to call every hit to the head now a days and I thought for sure seeing Leopold Ko'ed Sutton should have been kicked out



True...and, I agree. Fuck, that was intent to injure pretty clearly, whether or not he technically hit him 'correctly', he should be punished in some way for taking that shot.
Although...would we feel the same if that was Kaleta destroying Neal?


Well we agree on one thing, intent to injure. But yeah, I would feel that way for Kaleta. See, Kaleta isn't exactly one of my favorite players. I like him, but I think he runs his mouth too much. He is starting to seem like a goon, just a mouth runner.

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Sutton almost slew footed Malkin, he is a quite a thin line for the rest of the series IMO.

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patkane88 wrote:
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
patkane88 wrote:
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
patkane88 wrote:
YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
Well what do you guys consider an elbow? His arm WAS against his body, but the bicept area was what contacted the head. It really does look like leopolds fault for both having his head down, AND leaning/tilting forward so that the only place sutton could hit him was his head. If you're not going to look at whats ahead of you, at least dont put yourself in such a vulnerable position. It was definitely an asshole hit with intent to injure, but...I think technically it was ok, although with the new headhunting 'rules' i'm not sure what's legal anymore.

But overall, his arm was connected to his body, what is he supposed to do, move his arm out of the way and hit him with his upper side chest?



Put your hating of Pittsburgh away and look at it again, its elbow no question about it.


? I hate Ottawa, I'm kind of indifferent to Pitt.

There is question about it. I do agree that Suttons elbow/forearm hit Leopolds head, no doubt about that...But his arm started against his own body for the hit. From my understanding thats supposed to be legal.


Well the NHL is suppose to call every hit to the head now a days and I thought for sure seeing Leopold Ko'ed Sutton should have been kicked out



True...and, I agree. Fuck, that was intent to injure pretty clearly, whether or not he technically hit him 'correctly', he should be punished in some way for taking that shot.
Although...would we feel the same if that was Kaleta destroying Neal?


Neil is not human so its okay ;)



Honestly...I'd be fine with a ten game suspension for patty (in the regular season) to see him deliver a hit like that to Neil. God...I...I cannot even say how satisfying that would be. He can drive the very point of his elbow through Neil's facebone for all I care about that shitheel.
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