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BlueandYellow
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First of all, "you don't know what you're talking about" is pretty innocuous---on a HOCKEY board of all places!. Squnato, you're getting really petty with me and I don't appreciate it. These boards are FILLED with comments much stronger than that. You don't need to look very far to find one.

Secondly, you made my point. Yes, Savard has more experience than Vanek. He is, maybe because of that, a better player. And don't discount his role. Points are points are points. Is Malkin less a player because he had 5 less goals than Vanek? He finished with 113 points.


I don't care if you don't appreciate it or not; that's the job that the moderators have to do. All these little snippy comments you (and others) have been making are adding fuel to the fire in an atmosphere that's already tense enough because of the playoffs being underway. You're not the only person that has been asked to tone it down, so don't feel singled out.

It's quite annoying, because you do make some compelling points that get lost because of the extra crap that does nothing to further the discussion.

The thing with Savard is simple. He's a very good setup man, but his effectiveness will be lessened without finishers. That was a problem even before he got hurt. His career numbers support this. He can create, and get people the puck who can finish. However, he won't be as effective a player if he's surrounded by people who CAN'T finish, and that's been the situation in Boston for most of the year.

I see Vanek just shoots the puck and it either goes in or he gets the rebound. He is our guy in front of the net minder.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/s ... sYear=2009

I'm not doing the work for you powerplayer, but you can review this page and scroll through Savard's career numbers and see for yourself that his production actually drops in the second half. March was tough on him a few times.

I was going to honestly check and see if there was something special about Savard that I didn't know about. Instead I realized that you were just spouting off stuff that wasn't true. I'm not about to get in a big pissing match about it though. I'd just appreciate you not sounding like our former resident asshole that left for his own special forum where everybody strokes his ego.


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Squanto wrote:
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First of all, "you don't know what you're talking about" is pretty innocuous---on a HOCKEY board of all places!. Squnato, you're getting really petty with me and I don't appreciate it. These boards are FILLED with comments much stronger than that. You don't need to look very far to find one.

Secondly, you made my point. Yes, Savard has more experience than Vanek. He is, maybe because of that, a better player. And don't discount his role. Points are points are points. Is Malkin less a player because he had 5 less goals than Vanek? He finished with 113 points.


I don't care if you don't appreciate it or not; that's the job that the moderators have to do. All these little snippy comments you (and others) have been making are adding fuel to the fire in an atmosphere that's already tense enough because of the playoffs being underway. You're not the only person that has been asked to tone it down, so don't feel singled out.

It's quite annoying, because you do make some compelling points that get lost because of the extra crap that does nothing to further the discussion.

The thing with Savard is simple. He's a very good setup man, but his effectiveness will be lessened without finishers. That was a problem even before he got hurt. His career numbers support this. He can create, and get people the puck who can finish. However, he won't be as effective a player if he's surrounded by people who CAN'T finish, and that's been the situation in Boston for most of the year.



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WHAT OFFICIATING DISADVANTAGE?!

jeez people. im just as upset as the next person, but when push comes to shove, the officials are calling these games evenly. im not going to fabricate excuses to help myself sleep at night. the sabres had 3 powerplays last night, the bruins 2. point the finger elsewhere.

It not about what got called, it's what doesn't get called which should have.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
I'm not doing the work for you powerplayer, but you can review this page and scroll through Savard's career numbers and see for yourself that his production actually drops in the second half. March was tough on him a few times.


I didn't say March, I said in the latter part of the season. And those numbers are inconclusive. They don't include February or part of April. That all counts.

Regardless, we can argue picky stats all day long, my only point was that Savard is more of a dependable go-to guy than Vanek. He has consistantly performed. He's not repeat all-star for nothing.


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powerplayer wrote:
Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
I'm not doing the work for you powerplayer, but you can review this page and scroll through Savard's career numbers and see for yourself that his production actually drops in the second half. March was tough on him a few times.


I didn't say March, I said in the latter part of the season. And those numbers are inconclusive. They don't include February or part of April. That all counts.

Regardless, we can argue picky stats all day long, my only point was that Savard is more of a dependable go-to guy than Vanek. He has consistantly performed. He's not repeat all-star for nothing.

Savard is not the go to guy to put the puck into the net though.

He is a go to guy if you need the perfect pass.

Don't argue it, his numbers show he has always been a playmaker, and I don't even think he has ever had a 30 goal season.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
I'm not doing the work for you powerplayer, but you can review this page and scroll through Savard's career numbers and see for yourself that his production actually drops in the second half. March was tough on him a few times.


I didn't say March, I said in the latter part of the season. And those numbers are inconclusive. They don't include February or part of April. That all counts.

Regardless, we can argue picky stats all day long, my only point was that Savard is more of a dependable go-to guy than Vanek. He has consistantly performed. He's not repeat all-star for nothing.

Savard is not the go to guy to put the puck into the net though.

He is a go to guy if you need the perfect pass.

Don't argue it, his numbers show he has always been a playmaker, and I don't even think he has ever had a 30 goal season.


Never has hit 30 goals, BUT assists are usually in the mid 60s to mid 70s range. THAT MATTERS. Scoring often depends on players like this so they're just as important as the guy who puts it in the net AND if that great setup man is also capable of putting the puck in the net 20+ times a season too, then you have quite an asset who is critical to your teams peformance.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
I'm not doing the work for you powerplayer, but you can review this page and scroll through Savard's career numbers and see for yourself that his production actually drops in the second half. March was tough on him a few times.


I didn't say March, I said in the latter part of the season. And those numbers are inconclusive. They don't include February or part of April. That all counts.

Regardless, we can argue picky stats all day long, my only point was that Savard is more of a dependable go-to guy than Vanek. He has consistantly performed. He's not repeat all-star for nothing.

Savard is not the go to guy to put the puck into the net though.

He is a go to guy if you need the perfect pass.

Don't argue it, his numbers show he has always been a playmaker, and I don't even think he has ever had a 30 goal season.


He had 31 goals that one season.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
I'm not doing the work for you powerplayer, but you can review this page and scroll through Savard's career numbers and see for yourself that his production actually drops in the second half. March was tough on him a few times.


I didn't say March, I said in the latter part of the season. And those numbers are inconclusive. They don't include February or part of April. That all counts.

Regardless, we can argue picky stats all day long, my only point was that Savard is more of a dependable go-to guy than Vanek. He has consistantly performed. He's not repeat all-star for nothing.

Savard is not the go to guy to put the puck into the net though.

He is a go to guy if you need the perfect pass.

Don't argue it, his numbers show he has always been a playmaker, and I don't even think he has ever had a 30 goal season.


He had 31 goals that one season.

Forget that. He had 25 goals as max. That was Bergeron who had 31.

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powerplayer wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
powerplayer wrote:
Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
I'm not doing the work for you powerplayer, but you can review this page and scroll through Savard's career numbers and see for yourself that his production actually drops in the second half. March was tough on him a few times.


I didn't say March, I said in the latter part of the season. And those numbers are inconclusive. They don't include February or part of April. That all counts.

Regardless, we can argue picky stats all day long, my only point was that Savard is more of a dependable go-to guy than Vanek. He has consistantly performed. He's not repeat all-star for nothing.

Savard is not the go to guy to put the puck into the net though.

He is a go to guy if you need the perfect pass.

Don't argue it, his numbers show he has always been a playmaker, and I don't even think he has ever had a 30 goal season.


Never has hit 30 goals, BUT assists are usually in the mid 60s to mid 70s range. THAT MATTERS. Scoring often depends on players like this so they're just as important as the guy who puts it in the net AND if that great setup man is also capable of putting the puck in the net 20+ times a season too, then you have quite an asset who is critical to your teams peformance.

Did you not read my post at all? I said he is not a go to guy to put the puck into the net, but if you need a perfect pass he is.

To be the go to guy, you need to be the one putting it into the net, because in the last 20 seconds of just shooting, a guy who is clutch and is a scorer is the one who will get that goal. not some guy who doesn't shoot the puck rather than pass it.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

Rud wrote:
As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Powerplayer, I gave March as an example. All you need to do is some math to extrapolate what Savard did in the months not listed (Feb and April). Either way, looking at each year of his entire career, it shows that his production most certainly does NOT increase in the 2nd half of seasons.

How you compare Savard to Vanek doesn't matter to me one bit, because I never compared the two. Savard shouldn't even be in this discussion anyway, because when the series started Savard was a non-issue. We were all making predictions and assesments based on the what each team was bringing in before game one. Since then Boston gained a player and Buffalo has lost two.

Stafford returned after skating one whole practice, so he's doing nothing more than filling a open spot on a line. Savard would be in the same boat if/when he returns. We all know that players will be pushing it to come back during playoffs. Even if they used full recovery time in the regular season it would still take a week or two to be in top shape and effective. Sowhen they push it to the limit just to get on the ice, we can't expect a whole lot, and Connolly is the perfect example of that.


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Yeah, I can't imagine Savard's conditioning will be that good after so much time off, whenever he comes back.


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Savard hasn't even skated with the team yet also, I'm not too sure he would even be able to come back in this series.

Stafford had at least been skating with the team in a non-contact jersey so he was already way ahead of Savard i that field.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Now that we've seen Monday's game 3 the answer is obvious. They are bigger, faster, rougher than the smurfy, Lady Bing Sabres. 'Wreckys' play summed it up. He threw Kennedy aside, made the perfect pass to Bergeron, and 'bang-bang' it's in the net. No matter who your rooting for that was a thing of hockey beauty. Questions: Why wasn't a defenseman doing battle with Recchi, what was the defenseman standing between Recchi and Bergeron doing-he couldn't commit one way or the other, and couldn't block the pass-and where was some Sabre help attacking Recchi? It seemed that there were always at least 2 to 3 Bruins around a Sabre with the puck--leaving no space or time. Miller can do only so much.


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He threw Kennedy aside, made the perfect pass to Bergeron, and 'bang-bang' it's in the net. No matter who your rooting for that was a thing of hockey beauty.


That's actually what you call 'interference'. :)


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lamaisonbleu wrote:
Now that we've seen Monday's game 3 the answer is obvious. They are bigger, faster, rougher than the smurfy, Lady Bing Sabres. 'Wreckys' play summed it up. He threw Kennedy aside, made the perfect pass to Bergeron, and 'bang-bang' it's in the net. No matter who your rooting for that was a thing of hockey beauty. Questions: Why wasn't a defenseman doing battle with Recchi, what was the defenseman standing between Recchi and Bergeron doing-he couldn't commit one way or the other, and couldn't block the pass-and where was some Sabre help attacking Recchi? It seemed that there were always at least 2 to 3 Bruins around a Sabre with the puck--leaving no space or time. Miller can do only so much.


Sabres hardly even tried to play.

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Squanto wrote:
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He threw Kennedy aside, made the perfect pass to Bergeron, and 'bang-bang' it's in the net. No matter who your rooting for that was a thing of hockey beauty.


That's actually what you call 'interference'. :)

They were both going for the puck and the contact occurred almost at the puck. They'll never call interference there--further out maybe so. I would like to amend my post from 'threw aside' to 'bumped aside'.


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