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 Post subject: Re: 16-15
PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:54 am 
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The reason we say trade is because if we lost to Boston we sure as hell wont win the cup or go really far in the playoffs.



The cold hard truth is that they were not built for a long grueling playoff run. The Sabres were a great regular season team, lots of speed. But in the playoffs you have to be big and strong to survive, few teams if any have ever won a Stanley Cup playing nothing but pond hockey. It was not for a lack of effort, they played hard but you can only throw yourself into a wall so many times before you get tired of picking yourself back up again.

There's a TON of positive things surrounding this team, and in this cap era weaknesses can be corrected quickly. You don't need the 84' Oilers to win a Cup, but the solution starts at the top. Pressure from ownership to seriously win It. Wise management, and on down the line. I haven't payed a great deal of attention to how the Sabres run their shop up until now, but I watched a great GM by the name of Craig Patrick build a mini-dynasty in Pittsburgh (and maintain it). So I think I know what it takes. Ray Shero is a good young GM, I don't agree with everything he does but he's good. He hasn't undone any of the rebuilding, but I think any GM could win with what the Pens acquired over the lean years.

What I would do, find a way to trade for Malkin! :)

Vanek+Stafford+1st round draft pick for Malkin,

Then you got your triple M core of Malkin, Miller, and Myers. Build around that.


Malkin, Miller, Ennis, Myers, Gerbe, Kaleta, Kennedy, Kassian, Weber, plus others... Sounds pretty nice.

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 Post subject: Re: 16-15
PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:56 am 
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GoSabres29 wrote:
dont tell this to Darcy. otherwise the line-up is going to be the exact same next year...


No, there will be cap room for a back-up goalie and either 1) one forward and one d-man or 2) two d-men. Specifically I'd like to see...

Trade Stafford for a 3rd/4th round pick and sign Lee Stempniak (add about 800k). Trade Butler for a 6th round pick and sign Dennis Seidenberg and Kurt Foster (subtract about 1.6 mil from Butler, Lydman and Tallinder's cap hits). Sign Biron for about the same as Lalime (one mil). Figure in slight raises for Grier, Kennedy, and Kaleta and that makes a roster with the same cap hit of...

Hecht-Connolly-Pominville
Vanek-Roy-Stempniak
Kennedy-Gaustad-Grier
Ennis-McCormick-Kaleta
Ellis/Gerbe/Mancari

Weber-Myers
Seidenberg-Foster
Montador-Rivet
Sekera

Miller-Biron

That's a better and deeper roster than this season for the same price.


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 Post subject: Re: 16-15
PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:06 am 
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...Or trade Stafford for Patrick Sharp and only sign one new d-man (Seidenberg). Keep Butler or trade him and bring up Gragnani or whoever performs in camp, for a roster like...

Hecht-Connolly-Pominville
Vanek-Roy-Sharp
Kennedy-Gaustad-Grier
Ennis-McCormick-Kaleta
Ellis/Gerbe/Mancari

Weber-Myers
Seidenberg-Montador
Sekera-Rivet
Butler/Gragnani

Miller-Biron

That's another winner for the same cap hit.


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 Post subject: Re: 16-15
PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:07 am 
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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
The reason we say trade is because if we lost to Boston we sure as hell wont win the cup or go really far in the playoffs.



The cold hard truth is that they were not built for a long grueling playoff run. The Sabres were a great regular season team, lots of speed. But in the playoffs you have to be big and strong to survive, few teams if any have ever won a Stanley Cup playing nothing but pond hockey. It was not for a lack of effort, they played hard but you can only throw yourself into a wall so many times before you get tired of picking yourself back up again.

There's a TON of positive things surrounding this team, and in this cap era weaknesses can be corrected quickly. You don't need the 84' Oilers to win a Cup, but the solution starts at the top. Pressure from ownership to seriously win It. Wise management, and on down the line. I haven't payed a great deal of attention to how the Sabres run their shop up until now, but I watched a great GM by the name of Craig Patrick build a mini-dynasty in Pittsburgh (and maintain it). So I think I know what it takes. Ray Shero is a good young GM, I don't agree with everything he does but he's good. He hasn't undone any of the rebuilding, but I think any GM could win with what the Pens acquired over the lean years.

What I would do, find a way to trade for Malkin! :)

Vanek+Stafford+1st round draft pick for Malkin,

Then you got your triple M core of Malkin, Miller, and Myers. Build around that.


Malkin, Miller, Ennis, Myers, Gerbe, Kaleta, Kennedy, Kassian, Weber, plus others... Sounds pretty nice.


We drafted Kassian?! That's awesome! I totally didn't realize that, he's going to be an awesome power forward, just what we need!

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 Post subject: Re: 16-15
PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:12 pm 
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People love their stats but we all watched the games. Except for game 5, this team was dominated and kept in it by Miller. So yes Boston scored but one more goal but it could have been and should have been a 4-1 series win with Boston crushing the Sabres in all games but 5. If anyone thinks that Rask outplayed Miller in this series they are wrong. The Sabres shots primarily from the outside with no traffic and no pursuit of rebounds. Bruins shots were either in close or good shots from the point with traffic.

This TEAM needs to improve. We have a great goaltender and a really bad team. But how do you trade bad players and get anything? I'm afraid it is going to have to come from within the organization or make trades just to free up cap space and sign outsiders (not Darcy's strength).


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 Post subject: Re: 16-15
PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:13 pm 
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grimace wrote:
People love their stats but we all watched the games. Except for game 5, this team was dominated and kept in it by Miller. So yes Boston scored but one more goal but it could have been and should have been a 4-1 series win with Boston crushing the Sabres in all games but 5. If anyone thinks that Rask outplayed Miller in this series they are wrong. The Sabres shots primarily from the outside with no traffic and no pursuit of rebounds. Bruins shots were either in close or good shots from the point with traffic.

This TEAM needs to improve. We have a great goaltender and a really bad team. But how do you trade bad players and get anything? I'm afraid it is going to have to come from within the organization or make trades just to free up cap space and sign outsiders (not Darcy's strength).


No... This team played even with Boston, and lost a special teams battle. Simple as that.

If we had scored the 6 power play goals and held Boston to none, we outscore them 21-10 in this series.

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 Post subject: Re: 16-15
PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:23 pm 
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No this team did not play even with Boston. It simply did not. Again, the score was close and the shots were close but in all but Game 5, the Sabres were being pressed the entire game and were bailed out in Game 1 by Miller.

And the power play is part of the game and perhaps the most important part of the game so I don't know how we can say things were even when the Sabres were smoked on special teams. That's like saying the Bills would have won a Super Bowl if they'd had good special teams (kicker). They didn't and that is something that needs to be improved.

The great news is the Sabres have the hardest piece of the puzzle to get (a reliable goaltender). They also have a future great defenseman and some decent talent. However, they have got some parts that need to go as they bring down the intensity of the entire team (Connolly, Stafford) Didn't anyone else enjoy watching this team a lot more at the end of the regular season when those guys were out?


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 Post subject: Re: 16-15
PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:27 pm 
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I watched some of the highlights once again, and really the Sabres played pretty even, our biggest problem was we simply refused to crash the net, at all times and basically any sustained pressure put on by Boston all three forwards and a D-Man crashed the net for a rebound, it's a huge reason why in game two they scored two goals when the puck bounced off a players stick, it's a huge reason how Miro Satan even got goal 4 in game 6.

CRASHING THE NET, something our players did not do at all.

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 Post subject: Re: 16-15
PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:25 pm 
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grimace wrote:
No this team did not play even with Boston. It simply did not. Again, the score was close and the shots were close but in all but Game 5, the Sabres were being pressed the entire game and were bailed out in Game 1 by Miller.

And the power play is part of the game and perhaps the most important part of the game so I don't know how we can say things were even when the Sabres were smoked on special teams. That's like saying the Bills would have won a Super Bowl if they'd had good special teams (kicker). They didn't and that is something that needs to be improved.

The great news is the Sabres have the hardest piece of the puzzle to get (a reliable goaltender). They also have a future great defenseman and some decent talent. However, they have got some parts that need to go as they bring down the intensity of the entire team (Connolly, Stafford) Didn't anyone else enjoy watching this team a lot more at the end of the regular season when those guys were out?


This series wasn't nearly as bad as you're making it out to be. Buffalo did play with them. And they lost a special teams battle.

Not an excuse. That's just how they lost the series. The Bruins were opportunistic, and the Sabres weren't, with the man advantage.

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