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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:51 am 
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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Yeah but for all those guys there's probably a hundred that didn't pan out.

Same can be said of a guy who is over 6 feet tall.

Size doesn't truly matter.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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If a small player has made it to this point, it's usually because he can handle the physical side of things.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
I don't see his size, or lack thereof hurting him at all. In fact he consistently outmuscled one or two larger Bruins for the puck.



He's listed at 6'0", 212 lbs.. That's not a small dude, that's a solid dude.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
I don't see his size, or lack thereof hurting him at all. In fact he consistently outmuscled one or two larger Bruins for the puck.



He's listed at 6'0", 212 lbs.. That's not a small dude, that's a solid dude.

Who you talking about?

Ennis is listed at 5'9" and 163.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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I suppose it's only relevant when he gets fucking flattened at some point, and is injured basically just because he's small, and got destroyed by some big dude. Other than that I cant see it being too big a detriment.


Size isn't always a factor in getting injured. Bigger guys don't necessarily get hurt less than their smaller counterparts as some people like to think. St. Louis isn't constantly missing time from injuries, and he's smaller than Ennis. Not to mention, there a plenty of bigger guys that suffer from serious injury issues (Lindros, and to lesser size difference Connolly)

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food for thought. the power forward position in basketball is reserved for the second largest starter. usually, its 6-8 to 7-0... very few power forwards are less then 6-9. who was the best power forward of all time? charles barkley? how tall was sir charles? 6 foot, 4 inches. 6-5 sometimes.

so, we can all stop worrying about ennis. gerbe on the hand....

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Ennis IS a small forward.....don't see how you could say otherwise and not have your nose grow a few feet. Something that bothers me is how fast people are to start calling rookies "the next big thing" after a few good games. These guys may be great NHL'ers one day but they probably won't live up to the "This guy is the answer to our prayers!" hype we tend to build on them. I think it's a reflection more of our need and desire to have actual superstars on this team instead of the crap we got (Miller excluded) rather than what these young guys will become. Just thinking out loud I gather. I mean I remember the same grand praise being given to the likes of Butler, Sekera, Paille, Paetch, Bernier, Rivet etc etc when they first got in Buffalo and how'd they all work out for us?

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Bernier was the only one of those you listed that had praise heaped upon him at a ridiculous level. Butler was always described as "a number two defender at best", Sekera was always described as "the next Soupy...maybe", Paille was nothing more than a "solid defensive forward who might break 20 goals" to us, Patches was ALWAYS loved for his effort but no one EVER thought he'd amount to anything special EVER, and Rivet was just "a tough-as-nails veteran defenseman".

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mechaphil wrote:
Bernier was the only one of those you listed that had praise heaped upon him at a ridiculous level. Butler was always described as "a number two defender at best", Sekera was always described as "the next Soupy...maybe", Paille was nothing more than a "solid defensive forward who might break 20 goals" to us, Patches was ALWAYS loved for his effort but no one EVER thought he'd amount to anything special EVER, and Rivet was just "a tough-as-nails veteran defenseman".


Well there are many others but the point was not the level of hype as in them being our next super star but rather the amount of positive speculation. Fans just seem to see what they want. Ennis had a bunch of great moments (I mean he's a kid with a shot in the playoffs!) but it's funny how everyone seemed to be looking away when he lost battles in the corners, got smashed by larger players or during the times when he seemed human rather than some small, winged sprite with hockey God hands. I mean he was good and I'd love to see if he can bring that determination game in and game out in the regular season but the truth is that it's funny to see people interpretations of players especially when we need a fix somewhere in our lineup....which is always. :lol:

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Ennis isn't thought as a savior to this team.

But he did have 9 points in 10 games in the NHL and 4 or 5 points in 6 games in the playoffs.

We all know Ennis can score, he easily showed that in Juniors, and he has shown he can be an effective playmaker. When he adjusts to the NHL pace he'll be fine. What did he have for the first 15 games in the AHL? Wasn't it something like 6 points, but he then turned it around and adjusted and scored 65 points in 69 games after his terrible start.

Ennis isn't a savior, but he was one of the best forwards in that year's draft as he did play on the Gold Medal Canada Junior team. That has to amount to something.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Yeah but for all those guys there's probably a hundred that didn't pan out.

Same can be said of a guy who is over 6 feet tall.

Size doesn't truly matter.


I don't have the numbers to back it up, but I suspect this is bullshit.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
I don't see his size, or lack thereof hurting him at all. In fact he consistently outmuscled one or two larger Bruins for the puck.



He's listed at 6'0", 212 lbs.. That's not a small dude, that's a solid dude.

Who you talking about?

Ennis is listed at 5'9" and 163.



Oh....well yeah that's a small dude. So is former Hart winer Martin St. Louis and future HoF Theoron Fleury.

Ennis is a keeper, but they could use a couple of Kassian's up front for sure. The checking lines need more sand paper as well.

It's time to care less about just making the playoffs, and care more about winning it all. That's my statement and I'm sticking to it. And I'm sure that already holds true for you and everybody else here.

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I disagree. I think Ennis is a savior.

If he can be a point per game player in the regular season and playoffs with zero NHL experience under his belt as a super rookie... how is this kid going to play with one or two seasons of NHL experience under his belt?

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Yeah but for all those guys there's probably a hundred that didn't pan out.

Same can be said of a guy who is over 6 feet tall.

Size doesn't truly matter.


I don't have the numbers to back it up, but I suspect this is bullshit.

Why would you say that? Because a guy is a big guy or over 6 feet tall makes his hands even better then a smaller guy or if he has speed at all?

If a smaller guy can play like a Briere, St. Louis, or any of the smaller guys who are very shifty and quick with good hands, how do you hit the guy and how could that player not succeed? Even Roy is a pretty good Hockey player and he is only 5'9" also.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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size doesnt ALWAYS matter, but more often then not, smaller players dont pan out.

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Derek Roy:

No dangling ability.

Great eye for passing.

Wicked shot, but barely uses it because he plays center.

He sounds like a natural winger to me. Move Derek Roy to wing, and watch the goals pile up.

Tyler Ennis:

Sick dangler.

Good passer.

Insane wrist shot.

We're in for a real treat with this kid on our team.

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I never gave any thought to moving Roy to the wing. My gut tells me that will never happen despite his faceoff woes. Him and Ennis with a decent playmaking center would be a great 2nd line.


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Ennis IS a small forward.....don't see how you could say otherwise and not have your nose grow a few feet. Something that bothers me is how fast people are to start calling rookies "the next big thing" after a few good games. These guys may be great NHL'ers one day but they probably won't live up to the "This guy is the answer to our prayers!" hype we tend to build on them. I think it's a reflection more of our need and desire to have actual superstars on this team instead of the crap we got (Miller excluded) rather than what these young guys will become. Just thinking out loud I gather. I mean I remember the same grand praise being given to the likes of Butler, Sekera, Paille, Paetch, Bernier, Rivet etc etc when they first got in Buffalo and how'd they all work out for us?


Who ever said this needs to have brain surgery. These guys are just ABSURD to call an answer to our problem.

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PuckSniperPensel wrote:
Derek Roy:

No dangling ability.

Great eye for passing.

Wicked shot, but barely uses it because he plays center.

He sounds like a natural winger to me. Move Derek Roy to wing, and watch the goals pile up.

Tyler Ennis:

Sick dangler.

Good passer.

Insane wrist shot.

We're in for a real treat with this kid on our team.


And his wrist shot I think is inaccurate, maybe if he gets more experience he can buff it up a little.

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His wrister is nothing special in terms of velocity, but he is pretty accurate most of the time. Hopefully it will get better as he gets bigger. Him and Myers should be workout buddies or something.


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