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 Post subject: Got Nukes?
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:16 pm 
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Should we really be telling people these things? Shouldn't some things be kept secret? We should tell everyone where they are too....


WASHINGTON – The United States has 5,113 nuclear warheads in its stockpile and "several thousand" more retired warheads awaiting the junkpile, the Pentagon said Monday in an unprecedented accounting of a secretive arsenal born in the Cold War and now shrinking rapidly.
The Obama administration disclosed the size of its atomic stockpile going back to 1962 as part of a campaign to get other nuclear nations to be more forthcoming, and to improve its bargaining position against the prospect of a nuclear Iran.
"We think it is in our national security interest to be as transparent as we can be about the nuclear program of the United States," Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton told reporters at the United Nations, where she addressed a conference on containing the spread of atomic weapons.
The U.S. has previously regarded such details as top secret.
The figure includes both "strategic," or long-range weapons, and those intended for use at shorter range.
The Pentagon said the stockpile of 5,113 as of September 2009 represents a 75 percent reduction since 1989.
A rough count of deployed and reserve warheads has been known for years, so the Pentagon figures do not tell nuclear experts much they don't already know.
Hans Kristensen, director of Nuclear Information Project, Federation of American Scientists in Washington, said his organization had already put the number at around 5,100 by reviewing budget estimates and other documents.
The import of the announcement is the precedent it sets, Kristensen said.
"The important part is that the U.S. is no longer going to keep other countries in the dark," he said.
Clinton said the disclosure of numbers the general public has never seen "builds confidence" that the Obama administration is serious about stopping the spread of atomic weapons and reducing their numbers.


But the administration is not revealing everything.
The Pentagon figure released Monday includes deployed weapons, which are those more or less ready to launch, and reserve weapons. It does not include thousands of warheads that have been disabled or all but dismantled. Those weapons could, in theory, be reconstituted, or their nuclear material repurposed.
Estimates of the total U.S. arsenal range from slightly more than 8,000 to above 9,000, but the Pentagon will not give a precise number.
Whether to reveal the full total, including those thousands of nearly dead warheads, was debated within the Obama administration. Keeping those weapons out of the figure released Monday represented a partial concession to intelligence agency officials and others who argued national security could be harmed by laying the entire nuclear arsenal bare.
A senior defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the overall total is still classified, did not dispute the rough estimates developed by independent analysts.
Exposure of once-classified totals for U.S. deployed and reserve nuclear weapons is intended to nudge nations such as China, which has revealed little about its nuclear stockpile.
"You can't get anywhere toward disarmament unless you're going to be transparent about how many weapons you have," said Sharon Squassoni, a nuclear policy analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
Russia and the United States have previously disclosed the size of their stockpiles of deployed strategic weapons, and France and Britain have released similar information. All have signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, which is the subject of the U.N. review that began Monday.
The U.S. revelations are calculated to improve Washington's bargaining power with Iran's allies and friends for the drive to head off what the West charges is a covert Iranian program to build a bomb.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahamadinejad spoke ahead of Clinton at the conference, denouncing U.S. efforts to pressure his regime to abandon its nuclear program.
The U.N. conference will try to close loopholes in the internationally recognized rules against the spread of weapons technology.
Independent analysts estimate the total world stockpile of nuclear warheads at more than 22,000.
The Federation of American Scientists estimates that nearly 8,000 of those warheads are operational, with about 2,000 U.S. and Russian warheads ready for use on short notice.
The United States and Russia burnished their credentials for insisting that other countries forgo atomic weapons by agreeing last month to a new strategic arms reduction treaty.
The New START treaty sets a limit of 1,550 deployed strategic nuclear warheads for each side, down from 2,200 under a 2002 deal. The pact re-establishes anti-cheating procedures that provide the most comprehensive and substantial arms control agreement since the original 1991 START treaty.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100503/ap_ ... ar_weapons

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 Post subject: Re: Got Nucs?
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:19 pm 
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Now everyone knows we only have enough nukes to kill everyone in the world ten times over. Goddamn it.

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 Post subject: Re: Got Nucs?
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Rud wrote:
Now everyone knows we only have enough nukes to kill everyone in the world ten times over. Goddamn it.


well.... yeah... but they don't need to know that.... some things should be left to wonder....

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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 10:24 pm 
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I'd be more worried about the railguns the Navy is going to be mounting on damn near everything they can.

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The doomsday clock, to me, is a crock of spin shit.

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 Post subject: Re: Got Nucs?
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 Post subject: Re: Got Nucs?
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Please to be noticing those restrictions are only on "deployed strategic warheads".
Those are so yesterday...and yes, all sides have enough to melt the planet several times over so who cares?
The real nukes being developed and deployed as new systems are all smaller tactical, theater based weapons, not ICBM's sitting in the belly of a submarine somewhere.

I don't get too worked up about proliferation between established, stable societies...really, it's a Pandora's box scenario.
They're here
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 Post subject: Re: Got Nucs?
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 11:42 pm 
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gr8daygo wrote:
Should we really be telling people these things? Shouldn't some things be kept secret? We should tell everyone where they are too....

Now you're thinking like Saddam Hussein. We're the only ones allowed to walk around in public with a giant cock ring around our naked balls. If "we" have a right to hide our nukes, why don't "they"?

This is not meant to make any conversation, it's PUUUURE satire.


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 Post subject: Re: Got Nucs?
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mechaphil wrote:
The doomsday clock, to me, is a crock of spin shit.


i disagree, i mean, obviously, its not concrete. but its certainly got a theory behind it. either way, its a pretty fascinating thing.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 1:58 pm 
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I still say railguns are scarier.

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 Post subject: Re: Got Nucs?
PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:54 am 
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mechaphil wrote:
I still say railguns are scarier.


Can you expound on this railgun topic Mr. Phil. I've never heard of one and I'd be interested to know more.

I's assuming your not talking about Halo 3 either....lol

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A railgun is a souped up linear accelerator...basically an electric motor unrolled into a straight line.
Bullet trains and roller coasters that "launch" use a similar technology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun

This just about sums up the military implications
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On January 31, 2008 the US Navy tested a railgun that fired a shell at 10.64 MJ with a muzzle velocity of 2,520 m/s.[15] Its expected performance is a muzzle velocity over 5,800 m/s, accurate enough to hit a 5 meter target over 200 nautical miles (370.4 km) away while firing at 10 shots per minute. The power was provided by a new 9-megajoule (MJ) prototype capacitor bank using solid-state switches and high-energy-density capacitors delivered in 2007 and an older 32-MJ pulse power system from the US Army’s Green Farm Electric Gun Research and Development Facility developed in the late 1980s that was previously refurbished by General Atomics Electromagnetic Systems (EMS) Division.[16] It is expected to be ready between 2020 to 2025.[17]


It can shoot a projectile so fast it creates plasma in its wake.

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 Post subject: Re: Got Nucs?
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Crosscheck wrote:
A railgun is a souped up linear accelerator...basically an electric motor unrolled into a straight line.
Bullet trains and roller coasters that "launch" use a similar technology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun

This just about sums up the military implications
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On January 31, 2008 the US Navy tested a railgun that fired a shell at 10.64 MJ with a muzzle velocity of 2,520 m/s.[15] Its expected performance is a muzzle velocity over 5,800 m/s, accurate enough to hit a 5 meter target over 200 nautical miles (370.4 km) away while firing at 10 shots per minute. The power was provided by a new 9-megajoule (MJ) prototype capacitor bank using solid-state switches and high-energy-density capacitors delivered in 2007 and an older 32-MJ pulse power system from the US Army’s Green Farm Electric Gun Research and Development Facility developed in the late 1980s that was previously refurbished by General Atomics Electromagnetic Systems (EMS) Division.[16] It is expected to be ready between 2020 to 2025.[17]


It can shoot a projectile so fast it creates plasma in its wake.


HOLY *#&@.

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Motion to edit the thread title to 'Got Nukes?'

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 Post subject: Re: Got Nukes?
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HelloMyKneeGrows wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
I still say railguns are scarier.


Can you expound on this railgun topic Mr. Phil. I've never heard of one and I'd be interested to know more.

I's assuming your not talking about Halo 3 either....lol

Well, in science fiction video gaming, Quake made the railgun popular first. :D

But yea, what X said. The Navy is planning on mounting them on damn near anything that floats.

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