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Squanto
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http://tsn.ca/chl/story/?id=321220

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QUEBEC -- The former captain of Canada's world junior hockey team will face criminal charges in addition to a suspension for a hit to an opposing player in January.

Annie-Claude Bergeron, a spokesman for the Crown prosecutor's office in Rouyn-Noranda, says Patrice Cormier has been charged with assault causing injury.

Cormier, a forward with the Rouyn-Noranda Huskies of the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League, will appear in court July 12. If convicted, he could be sentenced to 18 months in jail.

Cormier was suspended for the rest of the regular season and the playoffs on Jan. 25 for an elbow to the jaw that sent Mikael Tam of the Quebec Remparts into convulsions on the ice.

An appeal was turned down by commissioner Gilles Courteau on Feb. 19, but the Huskies then asked for an independent arbitrator. That also failed, as arbitrator Jacques Sylvestre upheld the suspension.

Tam spent a night in hospital after the hit, but eventually was able to return to the ice and then was suspended himself for two games on March 8 for a hit from behind in a game against the Gatineau Olympiques.


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Huh.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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sabresEH
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I dont know if any of you watched TSN's That's Hockey today with Gino Reda but Barnaby said it perfectly. An act of violence using the stick to injure someone is something that should be taken to court. A hit like this(as vicious as it was) should not be taken to court. He went for a hit and unfortunately under the rules of the NHL(i dont know about the Qmjhl rules) it was legal. As frightening as it was to see that was an unfortunate clean check in the NHL. Again I dont know about the Q rules but the IIHF is the only place I've seen where checks to the head are illegal.

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I cannot disagree more.

Predatory headshots like that can and should be followed up with legal action. The use of the stick, or lack thereof, should not factor into anything.


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I'm with senor squantolo on this, if the leagues arent going to make it utterly clear that this bullshit is not tolerated, perhaps some legal ramifications will do the trick.


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I will also agree that it's well past time that hits like that are made subject to legal action. Not only that, but an elbow to the head has always been a penalty in the NHL...it's called "elbowing".


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Squanto wrote:
I cannot disagree more.

Predatory headshots like that can and should be followed up with legal action. The use of the stick, or lack thereof, should not factor into anything.

What happens on the ice stays there. You want Cormier to be punished let him finish the game and he'll think twice before doing that again. Call me oldschool but I see no reason for this to be taken to court.

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That line of thinking just perpetuates actions that shouldn't be taking place in a hockey "game" to begin with.

Evening things up should be limited to fair fights, not resorting to who can pull off the best kill shot. If you are trying to say that the kill shot cheap bastard should have to drop gloves with the other teams tough guy and that's it, that doesn't come anywhere near close to making things right for the player that was left in a pool of drool with a potentially long term injury.


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sabresEH wrote:
What happens on the ice stays there. You want Cormier to be punished let him finish the game and he'll think twice before doing that again. Call me oldschool but I see no reason for this to be taken to court.


What's the appropriate on ice punishment for a flying elbow that ends a career? A lacerated liver, maybe a broken tib/fib?

The hockey community is starting to realize that there's a line between the acceptable violence inherent in a physical sport, and gratuitous, predatory bullshit that ends careers and puts people's lives in jeopardy.

NHL players have received suspensions and jail time in years past for assaults with a stick. Flying elbows are just as violent, and just as dangerous.


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So, guys, if fighting was something that can be taken to the legal system, then you'd be all for it being out of hockey?

I've watched the hit. I don't know how many times, but I've watched it. The only thing that I catch every time is that they guy had his head up the whole time, therefore I can't make the excuse that his head was down, therefore, his own fault.

The way I see it, if you can't take somebody to court for fighting in a hockey game, then taking somebody to court for a vicious hit is kind of dumb.

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But even still, that does not mean he saw him coming.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
So, guys, if fighting was something that can be taken to the legal system, then you'd be all for it being out of hockey?

I've watched the hit. I don't know how many times, but I've watched it. The only thing that I catch every time is that they guy had his head up the whole time, therefore I can't make the excuse that his head was down, therefore, his own fault.

The way I see it, if you can't take somebody to court for fighting in a hockey game, then taking somebody to court for a vicious hit is kind of dumb.


Sorry, but that is some kind of retarded logic. A fight has two mutual participants. A kill shot does not have the mutual agreement from the player getting hit. With your logic a player could go around throwing blinside elbows all he wants until he finally kills somebody, and the only consequence would be a lifetime suspension. Wow, I'm sure that'll make it all better for the dead player's family. There are all kinds of scrums that include what would be "assault" or "battery" if it happened on the street, but when a player shows a level of disregard for the rules to the point of inflicting serious injury it should be subject to legal action. The law doesn't end at the edges of a playing surface, and anything that happens there can be subject to legal scrutiny.


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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
So, guys, if fighting was something that can be taken to the legal system, then you'd be all for it being out of hockey?


This has exactly nothing to do with fighting. Zip. Zero. Nothing.

It's about a guy skating across the ice with the clear intent to injure someone, and throwing an elbow at someone's face at about 20 miles an hour.


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What the hell, no way was that hit legal. That was disgusting and when you almost kill someone with a stupid, wreckless, idiotic hit, then yes, it needs to go to court.

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I guess the only thankful thing is, at least with legal action, players are going to think twice about elbowing someone in the head, and the other player was perfectly fine a few days afterwords.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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I guess my thing against it is that you should always be expecting a hit, no matter how legal or illegal it is, in the game. Don't these players sign some sort of waiver, knowing that hockey is a dangerous game and anything can happen?

Listen, I get that the hit was illegal in the terms of the rules of the league, but I still don't see why the legal system should be involved. Sure, the guy was injured, but he obviously wasn't expecting a hit to begin with, which he should have been.

That's just my opinion, but by all means, if the law extends to the hockey rink, then I guess it is Cormier's fault.

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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
I guess my thing against it is that you should always be expecting a hit, no matter how legal or illegal it is, in the game. Don't these players sign some sort of waiver, knowing that hockey is a dangerous game and anything can happen?

Listen, I get that the hit was illegal in the terms of the rules of the league, but I still don't see why the legal system should be involved. Sure, the guy was injured, but he obviously wasn't expecting a hit to begin with, which he should have been.

That's just my opinion, but by all means, if the law extends to the hockey rink, then I guess it is Cormier's fault.

So you think it's the guy's fault for getting severly injured because he wasn't expecting that vicious elbow to the head that caused him to go into convulsions on the ice? I don't understand that logic... A dirty player goes out and tries to injure someone, yet he shouldn't be reprimanded for it because it's hockey and you have to expect to get hit?

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I don't know if the legal system should be involved either. In that case, you're policing intent, which is very difficult to do.

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sabresEH wrote:
Squanto wrote:
I cannot disagree more.

Predatory headshots like that can and should be followed up with legal action. The use of the stick, or lack thereof, should not factor into anything.

What happens on the ice stays there. You want Cormier to be punished let him finish the game and he'll think twice before doing that again. Call me oldschool but I see no reason for this to be taken to court.


i have to agree with this. it may not make alot of sense, but what happens on the ice, stays on the ice.

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I don't get it, if you don't think it makes a lot of sense, then how can you get behind something like that? There is a time and place for everything, but when you almost kill someone then it needs to go beyond hockey punishment.

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