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powerplayer
PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 7:26 pm 
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The problem with Rivet as Captain is that he's not very good on the ice anymore. As was hinted by Ruff during the latter part of the season, it's tricky to try and lead and get in other guy's face when you yourself aren't doing very well.

Generally speaking, to be an effective "C", you need to not only be an inspiration in the locker room, but also on the ice with your play.

Often times the best guy on the team also happens to be the captain. Not always, but often...and for good reason.


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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2010 7:29 pm 
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captain? we need someone like this guy:

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Regarding veteran presence, the Sabres would do well to bring in a veteran player known for scoring and toughness

I read these words and knew that somewhere in your post the words "Jarome" and "Iginla" would come up.

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I like Iginla, face shield and all.

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[quote="X-pensfan"]


Creative Center + Sniper + Net Crasher = Successful Line.

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While this may not be the only configuration, nor the best, it shows you're onto something. This mixture has always been the secret to winning. Any coach who ignores these ancient facts will persih. "Riding the goalie" is pretty much a fallacy now. If a coach thinks he can throw whoever on the ice at whatever time like he's playing stingy poker, he will find himself in a bad spot. Gotta love the fortitude of a coach to just play a line like Ryan-Getzlaf-Perry. No one guy has experience. No one guy is The play-maker. No one guy is depended on to be gritty. Most older coaches would try to make 3 lines out of these guys, figuring the immaturity would make all 3 together a waste. If ya wanna rag on the move go ahead, but I think it's a VERY forward thinking move. Sadly enough if makes the Ennis-Roy-Gerbe line look like past thinking. They may all be good enough to be stars, but they're COMPLETELY dependent on their linemates.


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mechaphil
PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 1:03 am 
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NYIntensity wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
Regarding veteran presence, the Sabres would do well to bring in a veteran player known for scoring and toughness

I read these words and knew that somewhere in your post the words "Jarome" and "Iginla" would come up.

This is me you're talking about. Was there ever any doubt in your mind I'd be bringing up Iggy? :P

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 1:38 am 
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i have no beef with iginla. he plays the game the right way.

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I would lose it if Iggy ever put on the blue and gold

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Yea, I'd lose my fucking mind.

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daz28 wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:


Creative Center + Sniper + Net Crasher = Successful Line.

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While this may not be the only configuration, nor the best, it shows you're onto something. This mixture has always been the secret to winning. Any coach who ignores these ancient facts will persih. "Riding the goalie" is pretty much a fallacy now. If a coach thinks he can throw whoever on the ice at whatever time like he's playing stingy poker, he will find himself in a bad spot. Gotta love the fortitude of a coach to just play a line like Ryan-Getzlaf-Perry. No one guy has experience. No one guy is The play-maker. No one guy is depended on to be gritty. Most older coaches would try to make 3 lines out of these guys, figuring the immaturity would make all 3 together a waste. If ya wanna rag on the move go ahead, but I think it's a VERY forward thinking move. Sadly enough if makes the Ennis-Roy-Gerbe line look like past thinking. They may all be good enough to be stars, but they're COMPLETELY dependent on their linemates.


To elaborate, I like the way the Flyers structure their lines. They have crafty centers, and they try to get a sniper and a net guy out there with them. Currently rolling out Carcillo/Richards/Gagne as their top line. In the offensive zone, Carcillo is expected to draw a crowd in front of the net and screen the goalie whenever possible. He's good at that, Gagne is a great sniper, and Richards finds a way to bring it all together.

You could have the center be the guy that goes to the net, combined with a Recchi type of play making winger, and a sniping left winger. Like you eluded to, there's no wrong way to bring all those components together and when you do it's usually successful.

The Pens are the team I know inside and out, and they have been doing this since Therrien took over the team. One of the best lines I have ever seen was Malone/Malkin/Sykora. Perhaps, 75% of that lines success was a direct result of Geno's brilliance but his wingers played their roles to PER-FEC-TION. Malone created space for Malkin, and he was always around the net causing havoc. Sykora would sneak around, wait, find the soft spot and Malkin would always find him. His release is epic. Another great Therrien formed line is still used today by the Penguins, Cooke/Staal/Kennedy. Kennedy if the trigger man, Cooke does all the dirty work, and Staal gets in forces countless turnovers to keep the shifts going.

Clearly defined roles, the right players for the right roles, these simple concepts make lines more successful. You don't need Malkin and Crosby to win the Cup, or the 84' Oilers either. You just need the right combination of players.

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X-pensfan wrote:
You just need the right combination of players.



You also need a GM and coach who are capable of recognizing that and recruiting and implementing as described.


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powerplayer wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
You just need the right combination of players.



You also need a GM and coach who are capable of recognizing that and recruiting and implementing as described.



That's why, today, I am nominating me as honorary GM/coach for next season! I shall be paid a lump sum of one MILLion dollars. I will conduct both jobs from my kitchen table, where I recently installed a Cat 5 line for my laptop.

You're welcome in advance. :)

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
captain? we need someone like this guy:

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I'll take that guy as a replacement for Regier at GM.......

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:15 am 
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That might not be a bad idea :)

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mechaphil
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What a dream that would be. But he isn't leaving the Red Wings organization. Rumor has it the Lightning already offered him a ridiculous deal to be their next GM and he wouldn't even pick up the phone.

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powerplayer wrote:
X-pensfan wrote:
You just need the right combination of players.



You also need a GM and coach who are capable of recognizing that and recruiting and implementing as described.

You also need cap space to do an overhaul like that.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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If Iginla became a Sabre I'd shit and piss my pants, same if Yzerman became the GM

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OldTimeHockey
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Just having Hecht in the lineup likely gets us past Boston as Ruff could limit both Connolly and Roy's f ups and ineffective play by giving them less minutes.

Vanek and Hecht would have given us a chance against Philly, but I'd have sat Connolly and played a bigger C, even McCormick.

No way we beat the Hawks, unless somehow Pomminville, Roy, Connolly, and Stafford figure out how to score and combined net us 2-3 goals a night. Even then...probably not.

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Just having Hecht in the lineup likely gets us past Boston as Ruff could limit both Connolly and Roy's f ups and ineffective play by giving them less minutes.

Vanek and Hecht would have given us a chance against Philly, but I'd have sat Connolly and played a bigger C, even McCormick.

No way we beat the Hawks, unless somehow Pomminville, Roy, Connolly, and Stafford figure out how to score and combined net us 2-3 goals a night. Even then...probably not.

But with Miller in net over Leighton, Philly would win the Cup this year.

Same could have been said if Buffalo made it. No way would Emery or even Boucher let in that cup winning goal and some of the goals in that series.

I'm not saying Leighton is bad, he did fine enough to get them where they where, but he wasn't going to win that series.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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