Displaced Fan wrote:
I can understand why someone would be against a woman wearing a burqa based on it's symbolism to the Western world as oppressive but ripping it off of them is just retarded.
Crosscheck wrote:
No one here is defending the actions of the French woman.
I know Cross, Thanks. I wasn't arguing with anyone here, I was stating my opinion of that woman's action.
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That being said, you can't make the comparison between girls and women in Afghanistan being abused and Muslim women in France wearing a burqa as the same thing. These women already have a better standard of living than their counterparts back home and history has shown that the best way to change the minds of people isn't with force but with example.
Crosscheck wrote:
Just because they don't live in mud huts in a backwards country doesn't mean they're not being oppressed?
I don't follow.
I didn't say they weren't being oppressed, I said you can't compare the two types of oppression. Muslim women outside of the Taliban's reign have it far better than their counterparts though that isn't to say they aren't being oppressed. My point is that banning it isn't the most effective way to change the thought process of Muslims when it comes to woman's rights. They see it as a religious discrimination not liberation. I personally would love to see them freed from wearing that thing but I don't know if demanding it or forcing it is the right way.
Here is a list of the Taliban's rules for woman. A far cry from what other Muslim women have to endure. I'm sure that they deal with many of these but I haven't seen any public stonings in France yet.
1- Complete ban on women's work outside the home, which also applies to female teachers, engineers and most professionals. Only a few female doctors and nurses are allowed to work in some hospitals in Kabul.
2- Complete ban on women's activity outside the home unless accompanied by a mahram (close male relative such as a father, brother or husband).
3- Ban on women dealing with male shopkeepers.
4- Ban on women being treated by male doctors.
5- Ban on women studying at schools, universities or any other educational institution. (Taliban have converted girls' schools into religious seminaries.)
6- Requirement that women wear a long veil (Burqa), which covers them from head to toe.
7- Whipping, beating and verbal abuse of women not clothed in accordance with Taliban rules, or of women unaccompanied by a mahram.
8- Whipping of women in public for having non-covered ankles.
9- Public stoning of women accused of having sex outside marriage. (A number of lovers are stoned to death under this rule).
10- Ban on the use of cosmetics. (Many women with painted nails have had fingers cut off).
11- Ban on women talking or shaking hands with non-mahram males.
12- Ban on women laughing loudly. (No stranger should hear a woman's voice).
13- Ban on women wearing high heel shoes, which would produce sound while walking. (A man must not hear a woman's footsteps.)
14- Ban on women riding in a taxi without a mahram.
15- Ban on women's presence in radio, television or public gatherings of any kind.
16- Ban on women playing sports or entering a sport center or club.
17- Ban on women riding bicycles or motorcycles, even with their mahrams.
18- Ban on women's wearing brightly colored clothes. In Taliban terms, these are "sexually attracting colors."
19- Ban on women gathering for festive occasions such as the Eids, or for any recreational purpose.
20- Ban on women washing clothes next to rivers or in a public place.
21- Modification of all place names including the word "women." For example, "women's garden" has been renamed "spring garden".
22- Ban on women appearing on the balconies of their apartments or houses.
23- Compulsory painting of all windows, so women can not be seen from outside their homes.
24- Ban on male tailors taking women's measurements or sewing women's clothes.
25- Ban on female public baths.
26- Ban on males and females traveling on the same bus. Public buses have now been designated "males only" (or "females only").
27- Ban on flared (wide) pant-legs, even under a burqa.
28- Ban on the photographing or filming of women.
29- Ban on women's pictures printed in newspapers and books, or hung on the walls of houses and shops.
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