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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 2:58 am 
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1. Go after the people that are hiring them. You get a hefty fine the first time, you get a hefty fine the second time plus you do time. If there's no money to be made here, there's no reason to be here.

2. Mexicans LOVE to dig, I know, because I watched them do all the digging for FIOS. So, despite having a president who is soft on immigration, we make Oboma make Mexico employ their own people to dig a huge ditch all along the Mexican side of the border. With fences, a %#$%!@# moat, the works. That should give them something to do for awhile.

3. Eliminate Welfare, and tell everybody that they need to take the jobs that the mexicans were taking or they have to go to Mexico and work on the ditch.

4. Increase minimum wage to something people can actually survive on.

5. When an illegal immigrant is captured, put him in jail. Make the Mexican government come pick him up, and ship him back out again. Until they do, he/she stays in jail.

If you're not paying taxes, you're not an American, get the $!@% out.

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you know it costs about 50k a year to jail someone right? You think the mexican government is going to come back for one of its millions across the border?

I hope this all was a joke...

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The only way to stop illegal immigration is to make their home country a place not worth fleeing.
Sure, it would help a lot if we actually enforced our laws...but...no one has the intestinal fortitude to do that.

legalize marijuana.
That would take a huge chunk out of the black market and the operating budgets of the drug cartels.
That in turn would maybe allow police and the army to regain control of their country. A peaceful and safe place would in turn breed economic development, which would create jobs and a decent future for their citizens.

I'm not saying that's a silver bullet, but it's the most effective thing I can think of.

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you know it costs about 50k a year to jail someone right? You think the mexican government is going to come back for one of its millions across the border?

I hope this all was a joke...



50k a year? That's too much, Mexico can't afford to pay us that. Christ, they already owe us their entire country. Tell you what, let's merge with Mexico! It will become our new state! They all get put on the grid and start paying taxes!

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Crosscheck wrote:
The only way to stop illegal immigration is to make their home country a place not worth fleeing.
Sure, it would help a lot if we actually enforced our laws...but...no one has the intestinal fortitude to do that.

legalize marijuana.
That would take a huge chunk out of the black market and the operating budgets of the drug cartels.
That in turn would maybe allow police and the army to regain control of their country. A peaceful and safe place would in turn breed economic development, which would create jobs and a decent future for their citizens.

I'm not saying that's a silver bullet, but it's the most effective thing I can think of.



It's worth a try. If it doesnt' help, make it illegal again and tell all the dope smokers, "See?!"

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Eliot Ness couldn't end the manufacture and trade of illegal alcohol, ending prohibition did.

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Where to start....

First - illegals aren't just Mexican. Granted, that's the majority of the population (of immigrants), but it's not just the Mexican immigrants. They're just the most prevalent.

Second - I agree with you XC, on legalizing pot. Not because I'm a pothead, to be honest, I've never smoked pot in my life, and probably couldn't tell you if a room smelled like it.

Increasing minimum wage would only make hiring illegals more lucrative. But instead of them picking your beans, you're going to have them as your cashiers, waiters, and waitresses.

And yes, it costs 40-50k/year to jail somebody. That's why I don't quite understand why inmates sit on death row for tens of years, why life sentences are handed out, OR why CONSECUTIVE life sentences are handed out. IMHO, it's either death penalty OR life sentence. Can't have both. To me, it's a double standard.

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NYIntensity wrote:
Where to start....

First - illegals aren't just Mexican. Granted, that's the majority of the population (of immigrants), but it's not just the Mexican immigrants. They're just the most prevalent.

Second - I agree with you XC, on legalizing pot. Not because I'm a pothead, to be honest, I've never smoked pot in my life, and probably couldn't tell you if a room smelled like it.

Increasing minimum wage would only make hiring illegals more lucrative. But instead of them picking your beans, you're going to have them as your cashiers, waiters, and waitresses.

And yes, it costs 40-50k/year to jail somebody. That's why I don't quite understand why inmates sit on death row for tens of years, why life sentences are handed out, OR why CONSECUTIVE life sentences are handed out. IMHO, it's either death penalty OR life sentence. Can't have both. To me, it's a double standard.


Right but what I failed to include was that WE would not be paying for their jail time, Mexico pays for it and also pays to pick them up again. Then, it's up to that illegal immigrant to pay back Mexico however they see fit. In other words, their citizens are also THEIR responsibility. And that goes for every countries illegals. I'm not suggesting something so harsh as being shot or life in prison like other countries willingly do to Americans.

Again, GO AFTER THE POEPLE HIRING THEM. Sorry for the caps, but it's like I'm taking crazy pills because nobody seems to want to even acknowledge this as the main problem. If there isn't anybody hiring them, then they wont come here, maybe they will try Canada or some other country that wants cheap labor. Verizon literally built their entire FiOS system with illegal immigrants every step of the way. I know, I work for Comcast and they cut our feeds all the time, call me a racist but you can tell by the fact that they don't speak a word of English that they aren't registered citizens.

If you stop allowing people to hire illegal immigrants under the table, by creating a hot line for any citizen to use to rat them out among other tactics. ENFORCE IT. And then, make it more enticing for Americans to take those jobs, by eliminating free money and making the minimum wage respectable they will take it.

And hey, if a Mexican citizen wants to apply to a temporary work permit that puts them on the books and allows the US to tax them then FINE! Hire them! They are some of the hardest working people in the world! The "lazy" label is a fucking myth! They bust their humps, way harder then any American getting paid the same or even more would. But that's too bad, force business to hire Americans or else.

Don't tell me Verizon can't afford to pay people legit? And restaurant owners will just have to go with the smaller in ground pool without the gold trim this year. It isn't going to break their business.

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NYIntensity wrote:
But instead of them picking your beans, you're going to have them as your cashiers, waiters, and waitresses.

You mean there are places where they aren't already?
Hell...I go to some convenience stores where speaking to the cashier in English will get you dirty looks.

cashiers
waiters
bus staff
dish washers
hotel cleaning staff
gardeners
pool cleaners
parking valets
delivery people
appliance installers
mechanics
cooks
car washers
hell, any job where a tip is involved...
etc. etc.

a long list of "jobs Americans don't want" around here...funny since we have 12% unemployment.

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Captain Pants wrote:
you know it costs about 50k a year to jail someone right? You think the mexican government is going to come back for one of its millions across the border?

I hope this all was a joke...


I disagree. I will jerkily make fun of your points.

I will offer none of my own.

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Why can't we just employ vaporizing guns and if someone cross the line the gun goes off and vaporizes the person?

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Why can't we just employ vaporizing guns and if someone cross the line the gun goes off and vaporizes the person?

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X-pensfan wrote:
...it's like I'm taking crazy pills...




Hm...he DOES make a good point.


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Crosscheck wrote:
a long list of "jobs Americans don't want" around here...funny since we have 12% unemployment.

This is the problem, right here.

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