http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100531/ap_ ... mmigration

Basically, read this quote



And then the Peruvian president:



Really, Mr. Peruvian President? How about the U.S. takes a hard-line approach and deports this girls mom, showing that illegal is illegal IS ILLEGAL.

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First, regarding the little girl outing her mom,


Secondly, regarding President Garcia, I don't think he's in much of a place to be criticizing a law (as maligned by some as it is), if the way this woman was initially revealed and then confirmed to be an illegal immigrant was completely different than how it would be provided it was a member of law enforcement enforcing the law.

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mechaphil

How is enforcing the law scandalous again? Showing favoritism in this single case/not enforcing it would be worse.

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Miles to go before I sleep

‎"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation."
-Khalil Gibran

The problem with the law is that it's supposed to promote racial profiling. If a beat cop sees a Latino who he thinks isn't here with legit papers, he can just go up to him and demand to see his papers.

And you're right, it would be worse to show favoritism here.

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mechaphil

Enforcing the immigration laws isn't a problem.

Detaining anyone who isn't a WASP simply because they aren't a WASP is a problem.

There have already been many reported cases of US citizens being detained after providing identification that meets the standard written into the law, yet being forced to provide more.

When Julio Rodriguez gets the same treatment as Joe Smith , I'll stop grumbling about it.

I'm against profiling and the like but how is it somehow inappropriate for the US to enforce it's standing law against ILLEGAL immigrants? Get your papers, become a citizen, pay taxes and you're fine, no one wants to stop that they just want to make sure people don't leach off the system. The whole law is defined in the term "illegals"...I mean it's not THAT hard to become a citizen so if you really want to then do it.

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I have no problem with law enforcement detaining anyone in the country illegally.

I have a problem with US citizens being stopped, providing proof of citizenship, yet STILL being detained until they can provide a birth certificate.

It's already happened. An Arizona resident born in Fresno stopped at a weigh station with his truck. He was questioned, and provided his Arizona issued CDL and SSN.

He was detained for 4 hours while his wife drove to get his birth certificate before he was released.

That's the kind of shit that is just wrong.

Now, to be fair, they have cleaned up the original text of the law to try and restrict some of the potential abuses, and have added in language to go after the folks hiring illegals for day work. Those are good steps.

If they go after the illegals, and don't harass US citizens unnecessarily, won't hear a peep from me.

Spot on, yet again.

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Didn't know that was going on. Sounds like the particulars need to be ironed out. HAvign to be detained AFTER showing a SSN card and the like is retarded.

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Yeah.

The worse part about it is that that specific incident happened in April BEFORE the new immigration law was signed.

Hell, the Arizona law isn't even in EFFECT yet. :p

EDIT:

The SSN thing isn't as big a deal. Anyone on a green card or work visa can get a SSN, so that piece of data doesn't prove citizenship by itself. However, that could be looked up to verify citizenship.

The CDL is the bigger problem. Based on the Arizona law, an Arizona issued driver's license constitutes proof of US citizenship. That should have ended it right there.

That is not true.

Not even normal "police contact" is enough to ask for proof of citizenship.

They would have to be stopped or questioned for something else...like a traffic ticket and then, there would have to be some other evidence on top of that, like the inability to produce a drivers license, to inquire about their status.

You know what? I like profiling.
It would save a lot of damn time at the airport.

We've got a problem with Muslims blowing shit up, it's reasonable to profile for Muslims.
We have a rash of Hispanic people flooding across the southern border illegally, it's reasonable to question Hispanics over citizenship.
That's not racism, it's common sense.

Arizona didn't make this law for fun and sport, they made it because the Federal government won't do its job because the pansies in charge don't want to lose a voting block (both parties).

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Hold my beer and watch this...

i second crosscheck. profiling is okay when a lot of the issue is one one type of people. it helps weed out inefficiencies.

when serial killers pop up, criminal profilers automatically assume white male...no one complains about that.

I stand corrected, X. Thanks for that.

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mechaphil

Motion thirded. Let's make this law.

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I agree that profiling makes sense. I think people need to step back and stop making the leap in their heads from "profiling" to "racism". I see a lot of people who take issue with profiling failing to link cause and effect and instead think that singling out one type of person is wrong. I agree that singling someone out based on prejudice or hate is complete shit but when your state is overrun by illegal immigrants that all have light brown skin, dark hair and thick accents then why would you ask the black guy with the Alabama accent for the same proof? My opinions differ on profiling Muslims at airports but that's a different bag all together.

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Id like to see that part of the law where it says that please. It was my understand... and my teachers (who is also a lawyer) that the only time that this law is in affect is when the police officers are doing their normal routes and pulls someone over and find they are illegal. Does racial profiling happen... yes... but im certain the law does not state "if they look illegal, pull them over and find out"

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LETS GO BUFFALO!

This.


And i agree with ATL... if the government doesnt deport this woman, what kind of message does it show? That it is ok to come to America Illegally.

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LETS GO BUFFALO!

The initial wording of the law stated that officers were required to ask anyone who might be illegal for proof of citizenship, even if it wasn't in the course of a traffic stop or anything like that.

It was since been revised to reflect that they must only consider citizenship if they had a legitimate reason to be questioning someone.

Not only do they need a legitimate reason to be questioning someone, they need a legitimate reason to bring up immigration status on top of that.
Suspecting illegal status isn't a reason to engage a person at all.

I don't know...I see this whole thing as a complete non-issue.
If they were illegal before, they're still illegal. This law just gives Arizona police the ability to enforce an existing law the Federal government can't, isn't or won't enforce.

Hell, a majority of Californians (50% to 43%) support the Arizona law.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/31 ... l-20100531
We're not exactly a bunch of backwoods xenophobic rednecks around here.

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Hold my beer and watch this...

Isn't Spanish the official language of LA?

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