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http://open.salon.com/blog/johnshore/20 ... s_mr_right

Lately I've heard from a considerable number of women who basically got burned in relationships by guys who turned out to be less Prince Charming than ... Burpy, the Village Dolt.

So that got me thinking about what women might be able to do in order to discover what their potential life-mate is really made of, who the man behind the Dating Curtain really is. And voila: I arrived at these six tests any woman can use to discover whether or not the man she's dating is Mr. Right or Mr. Lite.

The Mr. Right Test #1: Get into real knock-down, drag-out fight with him
You can tell just about everything you need to know about a person by the way they fight. You simply do not know someone until you've had a fight with them. My wife and I have saying: A relationship is only as good as its first fight. People go crazy when they fight; what you want to know about your man is how crazy does he go, and how fast -- and how much time he spends in Crazyland once he's gone there. If in the heat of a real argument your man does a pretty good job of sticking to the point, or tends to ratchet the hostility down, or if he actually listens to the things you're saying, that's a beautiful sign. But if he goes vicious, or starts attacking you personally by going after weaknesses that in love you've shared with him before, or (God forbid) gets in any way physical, that, too is a sign. A "Wrong Way" sign.

The Mr. Right Test #2: Go on a cross-country drive with him
People are pretty good at keeping their stuff together for predetermined lengths of time. But you spend two weeks with someone in a car, and it's like dragging Dracula outside at high noon: who they really are becomes very clear. On a long road trip, there's nowhere for a man to hide. Sooner or later his smooth and yummy outer layer will wear off, and his inner chewy nuttiness will be revealed. Plus, a lot of unexpected stuff happens on a road trip: you get lost, a tire blows, the campsite doesn't hold your reservation, etc. Anyone does well when things are going well; a road trip is sure to show you how your man reacts when things go like they always go in life, which is contrary to plans.

The Mr. Right Test #3: Have him care for you when you're really sick
One (emphasize: one) of the reasons men love women so much is because women are just so darn pretty. Well, get ugly around your man for a change, and see how that works for you. Get biologically ugly: sneeze a lot, and wipe your nose on your sleeve -- no, on his! -- and cough like you're trying to turn yourself inside out, and keep your hair all matted-up and funky, and just ... exude Maximum Grossness. (Well, maybe not maximum grossness. No need to get arrested or anything.) How does he behave while you're practically croaking on your couch? Is he patient, sympathetic, loving, attentive? Or does he (eventually) act like you being sick is really a drag that he wishes you'd stop? The former, of course, is great; the latter could make for one ceremony-wrecking flashback when the officiate at your wedding gets to "in sickness and in health." Chances are (sigh) that your would-be man has already shown you how ready he is to at a moment's notice play the role of your father. That's cool -- or whatever. But what you also need to know from him is how willing he is to step up, when you need it, and assume the role of loving mother.

The Mr. Right Test #4: Watch him around other women
For many reasons we won't here delve into (socialization, hormones, insecurity, nature, the desire to confirm that they're as irresistible as they think they are), men flirt. Cool enough; that's probably how you were attracted to your man in the first place. But once you and he have committed to being together exclusively, the only message your man ever needs to be sending any other woman is "I'm Sure You're Very Cute, But Not to Me." Next time the two of you attend a party, separate from him, and then watch him while he's in Solo Socializing mode. If you see him consistently not flirting with batting-eyed beauties, fantastic. If you do see him turning on his Mr. Spectacular show, don't panic. At some point after the party, though, do talk to him -- and for real. Tell him how his flirting with other girls hurts your feelings, and -- worse, maybe -- how it makes you look like a fool, and embarrasses you before your friends. If he sees and understands the truth of that, and sincerely agrees to full-on stop flirting with other women, that's great: relationships are about honing and smoothing. But if, knowing how it does and must make you feel, he continues to flirt with other women, then he's being very clear about not only who he is, but about whom he expects you to be or become.

The Mr. Right Test #5: Watch how he treats service personnel
Waiters, busboys, doormen, janitors, maids, parking attendants, delivery people, store clerks ... a man's character is revealed by how he treats such people in his life. If towards service personnel or those beneath him professionally your man is brusque, dismissive, or in even the slightest way condescending, then as sure as sharks bite he's going to start treating you that way, too. It's just not possible for a man who doesn't treat everyone with respect to respect you. It's a symptom of a problem he has that you're not going to be able to fix. Get out right away, or go down trying.

The Mr. Right Test #6: Watch how he loses
Everyone wins well: in victory, everyone is gracious, magnanimous, humble, sweet. How a guy loses, however, tells you who he is. Be with your man sometime when he loses a game of some sort that he wanted or expected to win. (Bonus points if you're the one who beats him.) Watch very carefully how he responds to defeat. A real winner knows it's about remaining a winner, no matter the score.

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I need to blog about this.

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How about some advice on how to find Mrs. Right? After all, a good majority of posters here are male IMO.


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Hey man I just found it stumbling the internet, haha. Why don't we make up our own?

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Yeah, every time I go to MSN or whatever, all their dating articles are aimed at women. It's so sexist. Haven't men had to put up with enough? Why must we now be confronted with prejudice in this day and age?


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The Mrs. Right Test #1 : Is she batshit crazy? Since the answer to this is probably always yes, there is no test 2.


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I have a feeling if I come up with six ways to find the ideal woman, I'll come off as a horrible perv, or a moron...or both!

#1 - The fight thing
While I wouldn't encourage getting into a fight with your girl to see how she reacts, it is a good idea to observe how she responds. Not only to see how quickly she loses her cool, but also to see how she fights so you don't lose yours. I had an ex who would immediately either stop talking altogether, or start throwing the cheapest shots she could. While a good indicator of her level of maturity, at the very least it helped me respond better and address the conflict when she started getting pissy.

#2 - The trip thing
Though if you need two weeks and an entire continent to figure it out, you're a moron. I think going on a trip for a weekend or a week together is good for a different reason. It's a good window into what living with that person will be like. A lot of couples (and roommates) move in together without a healthy respect for how difficult it is to live with someone. Do your sleep habits conflict (time, length, ambient noise, lighting)? Do you have different ideas of cleanliness? Do your daily routines conflict (vying for shower, bathroom, laundry time)? Do you need more privacy than you realize...do they? And so on.

#3 - Do something nerdy/ridiculous
What does she think of your "nerdy" hobbies? Does she make fun of you, does she try to hide or shy away from them, are they an embarassment? If so, drop kick her to the side. Does she respect them, does she try to learn more about them, does she confide some nerdy hobbies of her own? If yes, she's a keeper.

#4 - Watch her around other women
Not to gauge your possibilities for a menage a trois, but to see what kind of cattiness (if any) she'll display. Is she two faced, does she talk about her friends behind their back to her other friends, is she incapable of actually getting along with another female member of the human race? If so, that's not a good sign. If this girl is willing to be dishonest or behind the scenes mean to friends she's known for years, or talk shit about women she's barely met, how is she going to be able to handle your mom, your sisters, or other female friends and family members.

#5 - Watch her around other men. Watch her when you're around other women. How does she feel about porn?
Is there a discrepancy in how she feels she can act around her opposite sex friends versus how she feels you should act around yours? Does she flirt with every guy in existence, and maintain a high level of jealousy when you look at another woman? Is porn vile and disgusting? To me, two of the biggest qualities I want in a partner are a sense of fairness and realism. If she can't reach some level of equality on how you both act around the opposite sex, or can't wrap her head around the fact that guys watch porn sometimes, I won't be able to get along with her.

#6 - Watch how she reacts when things start to snowball?
Does she pick herself up and keep plugging along? Does she curl into the fetal position and cry until someone does everything for her? How soon will she seek help? I think it's a good gauge of both independence and stubbornness in seeing how someone reacts when the bad shit starts to pile. One one hand, you can't be her moral supporter and suicide watcher every time she breaks a nail, but on the other, you don't want to be in the dark until she's already murdered six people because she accidentally overdrew her account one month.

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Suggesting that one should get into a fight intentionally is pure bullshit. A fight will happen eventually, think about the reactions then. Don't do it on purpose.

Ladies, pay no attention to shit like this that you read in Cosmo.


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I read cosmo almost every month, and the advice in it usually isn't too bad.

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Ehhh, I dunno about that Alex. Most of the stuff on Cosmo I really haven't found relevant to my dating life at all. And some of that shit is just plain weird.

Note: I read the articles for funsies, just because most of them are ridiculously retarded and sometimes creepy.


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Squanto wrote:
The Mrs. Right Test #1 : Is she batshit crazy? Since the answer to this is probably always yes, there is no test 2.

Snap!

I used to have a "cat test". If the girl is obsessed with her cat, stay away because she's probably batshit crazy. But I gave that one up when my wife-to-be came along, and now I'm obsessed with my cat too.


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peteythedancingsabre wrote:
Ehhh, I dunno about that Alex. Most of the stuff on Cosmo I really haven't found relevant to my dating life at all. And some of that shit is just plain weird.

Note: I read the articles for funsies, just because most of them are ridiculously retarded and sometimes creepy.


A lot of the stories are entertaining too. Idk, I've only read the last few months, and while there were a few articles that were borderline retarded, but most of it was alright.

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Squanto wrote:
The Mrs. Right Test #1 : Is she batshit crazy? Since the answer to this is probably always yes, there is no test 2.

I made a handy flow chart for this...

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hm...interesting list.

Although, it occurs to me that by the time you've witnessed some dude in all these scenarios, you've probably been with them for months at least. A cross country drive? I've driven across the country 3 times, over the course of 10 years. If I have to wait until the next time I do that to decide if my SO is the 'right' one, and havent figured it out before that i'm pretty fucking stupid.

and as for the fight thing...well, I actually kind of agree with that, and have been TRYING to start a fight with my girlfriend of 3 months just to see what happens. Unfortunately (for this scenario) she is the most level-headed, sweet, kind, un-fighty person i've ever met, and I've not yet been able to get her mad.

And as for number 6, what if dude is like me, and has never lost? :)


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my girlfriend has actually done all of those with me and i think ive passed most of them.

(what i am defeated at depends on my reaction...video games, softball and anything involving my brother= me getting pissed and swearing. most other things, im pretty okay with. if its major i might sulk for a little while but nothing bad.)

on the flip side. my girlfriend checks out on most of those on CVs list.

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The idea of testing someone is so weird to me hahaha. I'm a weird one myself when it comes to anything regarding relationships because in the first place I've only ever been reeeaaally attracted to one guy in my life, though (and that will never end), soooo... I've been physically attracted to one other in addition to that one, but that was all that was there, no connection or anything, so he didn't interest me at all. If he had, I wouldn't have cared because it was high school, and I made the decision not to date then because of what I observed in high school relationships when I was a kid lol.

I figure I'm good to go because most guys describe someone exactly like me when they say what they're looking for (though they typically don't say "thinking" which is a huge part of what I do/who I am). They typically actually go for what is essentially the opposite of me, though, and don't, in reality, know what they want, sooooo. Meh.

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I think the porn thing should come with a disclaimer (and please keep in mind I'm a proponent of porn, don't care that my bf watches it and I watch it myself). As long as it's a healthy relationship with porn, i.e. not addicted or interfering with every day life, it's completely fine. One thing I hate that men say though is that they watch porn so they don't feel tempted to cheat with other women. I can accept that men are visual creatures and enjoy watching and imagining and whatever else, but I don't think that means it's a good relationship that porn is being used to curb cheating. I can't really describe it, but that one drives me bonkers. I hate when women say watching porn is disrespectful and degrading to women:

1. Women want to do it
2. Women make good money doing it
3. Stop being so damn insecure.

As for relationship tests, I really, really hate insecurity and this should go for either sex. Insecurity leads to stupid fights and pretty much any mess in a relationship- fights over hanging out with the opposite sex, porn, guys'/girls' night, blah blah blah. I read another message board quite a bit and a lot of the women are really insecure on there. I just want to rip through the computer screen and punch them in the baby maker.


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backthatSASSup wrote:
I think the porn thing should come with a disclaimer (and please keep in mind I'm a proponent of porn, don't care that my bf watches it and I watch it myself). As long as it's a healthy relationship with porn, i.e. not addicted or interfering with every day life, it's completely fine. One thing I hate that men say though is that they watch porn so they don't feel tempted to cheat with other women. I can accept that men are visual creatures and enjoy watching and imagining and whatever else, but I don't think that means it's a good relationship that porn is being used to curb cheating. I can't really describe it, but that one drives me bonkers. I hate when women say watching porn is disrespectful and degrading to women:

1. Women want to do it
2. Women make good money doing it
3. Stop being so damn insecure.

As for relationship tests, I really, really hate insecurity and this should go for either sex. Insecurity leads to stupid fights and pretty much any mess in a relationship- fights over hanging out with the opposite sex, porn, guys'/girls' night, blah blah blah. I read another message board quite a bit and a lot of the women are really insecure on there. I just want to rip through the computer screen and punch them in the baby maker.

You should add:

4. Women are more often than not in complete control of their career in porn, ie directing, ownership, production, etc.

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backthatSASSup wrote:

As for relationship tests, I really, really hate insecurity and this should go for either sex. Insecurity leads to stupid fights and pretty much any mess in a relationship- fights over hanging out with the opposite sex, porn, guys'/girls' night, blah blah blah. I read another message board quite a bit and a lot of the women are really insecure on there. I just want to rip through the computer screen and punch them in the baby maker.

What? You read another message board? I can't believe that. I think I'm going to be sick. Why do you need to do that? What's wrong with us? Is there something you're not getting from us? We can change, really. Just tell us what to do and we'll do it.


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Stuuuuuuu wrote:
backthatSASSup wrote:

As for relationship tests, I really, really hate insecurity and this should go for either sex. Insecurity leads to stupid fights and pretty much any mess in a relationship- fights over hanging out with the opposite sex, porn, guys'/girls' night, blah blah blah. I read another message board quite a bit and a lot of the women are really insecure on there. I just want to rip through the computer screen and punch them in the baby maker.

What? You read another message board? I can't believe that. I think I'm going to be sick. Why do you need to do that? What's wrong with us? Is there something you're not getting from us? We can change, really. Just tell us what to do and we'll do it.

i lol'd :lol:

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