http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5257194

i love chad henne, he was great for michigan. i think hes a heck of a NFL quarterback as well. but to pass up dan marino? thats a stretch. but id like to see the dolphins win a super bowl.

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Egh every owner says that to rile up their team.

Chad Henne does have a chance to be the first great U Mich quarterback in the NFL though.

John Navarre
Drew Henson
Tom Brady*
Brian Griese
Todd Collins
Elvis Grbac
Jim Harbaugh

Ouch.

*cheated.

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Brady cheated?

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"Call a cop he robbed Delmore blind!!!"
Rick Jeanerette after Marty Biron's diving save back in 2000.

"I'm going to go to the spa and have a hot tub and massage and relax," Miller said. "That's it, and it's back to work tomorrow." Ryan Miller after clinching the North East division.

guilty by association, i suppose.

unless he had GPS on all the balls he threw.

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I'm still lost. I don't know squat about his college career so was he involved in some scandal or did he become un-naturally good for a year?

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"Call a cop he robbed Delmore blind!!!"
Rick Jeanerette after Marty Biron's diving save back in 2000.

"I'm going to go to the spa and have a hot tub and massage and relax," Miller said. "That's it, and it's back to work tomorrow." Ryan Miller after clinching the North East division.

Im a Dolphins fan, I can honestly say, hes never going to be better than Marino unless he brings multiple Super Bowls, but he by far the best option we've had since Marino retired

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"I can't really hear what Jeremy says, because I got my two Stanley Cup Rings plugging my ears...." -Patrick Roy in reference to Jeremy Roenick's trash talking

no, brady is regarded as some as the best quarterback of all time, but, the pats head coach was caught with a tape of a walk-through of a pre game of the jets, i think it was. this is shady and illegal practice, but wide spread. only the pats are the only team to get caught. however, by his thinking, that makes everyone a cheater. i dont agree with it, but i also dont agree with taping a teams walk through.

brady was solid in college for michigan, winning an orange bowl in 2000. some people discredit brady because he sat on the bench for 2 years till starting as a junior and senior, but lloyd carr preferred to play upper classmen before letting lower classmen start. he abandoned this practice for navarre. plus, the guy ahead of him was griese, who had a brilliant college career with michigan, including winning the 1997 national championship.

but no one saw him becoming the super star he is now.

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I think the cheater thing is kind of funny, especially since millions of NFL fans will discredit Brady's and Belichick's entire bodies of work with the patriots because of it. I think the fact that the NFL was kind of cloak and dagger about the tapes and had them destroyed rather than releasing the contents to the public is suspicious at the least.


In regards to Brady being the best of all time, I think that is a product of the media blowing his accomplishments way out of proportion. Brady was somewhat of a non-factor in his first Super Bowl run, much like Roethlisberger was in his beyond simply not making mistakes. People forget that it took one of the most retarded rules in the NFL rulebook (tuck rule), Drew Bledsoe winning the AFC Championship, two Kurt Warner interceptions, a Ricky Proehl fumble and Adam Vinatierri's foot for Brady to win his first Super Bowl.


There is nothing you can use to measure quarterbacks that encompass a career as a whole where Brady will come out on top. (Granted Brady's career isn't over yet). Super Bowl Record? Montana is better. Playoff winning percentage? Jim Plunkett and Ben Roethlisberger surpass him. Playoff wins? Montana leads him and Bradshaw and Elway are tied with him. Super Bowl Appearances? Elway has five, and Montana also has four. Marino and Favre have better passing stats, Young was a better rusher and higher rated.


Personally I feel that quarterbacks should be measured by their ability to elevate a team. In Tom Brady's absence, the patriots went 11-5 with a guy that hadn't started at quarterback since high school. That speaks to how good their system is at winning games, not to the skill of their quarterback. The year after Elway retired, the Broncos were 6-10. The year after Young did, the 49ers were 4-12. Steve Young and John Elway took some downright mediocre 49ers and Broncos teams deep into the playoffs, ditto Dan Marino with the Dolphins. Those quarterbacks didn't need the perfect line play that Brady gets to excel.

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since when has football been a one guy sport? you keep discrediting brady saying he was a non factor and all that garbage. the offensive line of the patriots was terrible for the first few years of bradys career. there was no "system." the system came about after the patroits realized, hey, we can build around this guy and win.

brady has, year after year, put up not good, but great numbers. you dont do that if you are a pretty good quarterback. hell, he threw 50 touchdowns in one season. you dont go 3-1 in superbowls if you are "pretty good."

brady found success, and has continued to be successful, no, actually excel for near a decade.

really, all this is is a smoke screen so the rest of the division can sleep at night.

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Right, I said he was a great quarterback, but greatest ever is taking it too far given his body of work.

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his first super bowl win, he merely average and merely along for the ride, right? is that how he drove the from the 15 yard line to the rams 31 with 81 seconds left and no time outs, and thus being named superbowl MVP?

thats clearly not the stuff legends are made of.

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So did Jim Kelly. And he made it the next three years as well. I never said Brady wasn't top ten, I just said to attach the moniker of greatest ever is ridiculous.

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and thats ok, i get behind that. but when you say "first good michigan quarterback.." thats pretty absurd too.

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Well, I always like Josh Navarre

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john

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