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Jim Bob
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While your analysis is nothing short of intoxicating, I must elaborate and present a counter argument that suggest that a PPQB and in fact talent do not necessarily make a good power play.

I give you my former favorite team the Powerless Penguins. When Ryan Malone took his hulking frame to TB the Pens PP entered a downward spiral and the TB PP ascended. Having a player on the team with a big body, good hands, and above all a willingness to stand in there every power play is perhaps THE most important thing to have.

The Penguins rolled Malkin, Crosby, and one of the games best PPQBs Gonchar out there all the time but were 20th or lower on the PP for the past two seasons. Then you looks at the tactical wizardry of the humble Habs and their epic PP. They don't have a net guy or a great deal of talent but they constantly score on the PP.

Puck movement, having a guy who can waste little time setting it up, coaching, a net guy, a QB, play makers, puck retrievers, and snipers all play a role. Kaberle is no cure-all but it might help to have him. I dunno.


The Sabres have the front of the net slot covered, at least for their #1 PP unit, with Thomas Vanek.

The interesting question about the Sabres PP is what do the Sabres need more on the blueline:

The PP QB

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The PP Shooter

The Sabres haven't been able to replace what Ales Kotalik gave them on the blueline with regards to a guy with a big shot that can get shots through traffic and on goal from the blueline.

Is that due to not having a good enough shooter or not having the "maestro" on the back end to set up a shooter?

Personally, I'd love to see the Sabres get Kaberle and try and solve the shooter hole with say Mancari who has filled that role rather well with Portland.

Plus, Kaberle is a solid first pass defenseman 5 on 5 that could help start the Sabres transition offense at ES.

Add in that he has a cap friendly deal for 2010-11 and I'd like to see it happen.

But, my guess is that Burke will want more than Regier will want to cough up in trade.

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Jim Matheson says it could be a Pominville for Kaberle swap deal.

I am not big on Kaberle but i think they should keep that option open in case other things fall. I don't want to go into the season next year with Chris Butler and Mike Weber being top-6 on defense. They need competition....

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An underlying theme to your last sentence is something that also disgusted me all season; the Sabres' puck control (or lack of ability to do so). I'm not talking about them playing keep-away, I'm talking about them trapping the puck along the boards when a defender tries to clear it, settling down errant or hard passes, or picking the puck out of mid-air on a clearing attempt. We fail miserably at closing the gap between the player and the boards, allowing the puck to leave the zone entirely too often.


Bingo. I mentioned this in another thread.

The Sabres need to play with the same desperation on the power play as they do 5 on 5.

It seems to me as though they treat power plays as an opportunity to slow things down... And that's exactly the opposite of what you want.

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http://www.spectorshockey.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1278:sunday-nhl-rumor-roundup-june-6-2010&catid=5:trade-rumors&Itemid=4

Jim Matheson says it could be a Pominville for Kaberle swap deal.

I am not big on Kaberle but i think they should keep that option open in case other things fall. I don't want to go into the season next year with Chris Butler and Mike Weber being top-6 on defense. They need competition....


That leaves us with Stafford and Grier as our top RW's.... I know Kennedy played RW on the Vanek line for a while, but still, that is horrible winger depth on the right side. The only way I trade Pommers in this situation is if we make a move to get a Top 6 right winger also, because right now we only have 1, and thats Pominville.


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Jim Bob
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Sk8haggard9 wrote:
Maestro wrote:
http://www.spectorshockey.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1278:sunday-nhl-rumor-roundup-june-6-2010&catid=5:trade-rumors&Itemid=4

Jim Matheson says it could be a Pominville for Kaberle swap deal.

I am not big on Kaberle but i think they should keep that option open in case other things fall. I don't want to go into the season next year with Chris Butler and Mike Weber being top-6 on defense. They need competition....


That leaves us with Stafford and Grier as our top RW's.... I know Kennedy played RW on the Vanek line for a while, but still, that is horrible winger depth on the right side. The only way I trade Pommers in this situation is if we make a move to get a Top 6 right winger also, because right now we only have 1, and thats Pominville.


Here is the Matheson link:

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/H ... story.html

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Let's face it, the Toronto Maple Leafs don't need Tomas Kaberle. They have Dion Phaneuf now. But they have a tough chore convincing teams to take the defenceman unless the team wanting Kaberle can get him signed to a three-or four-year contract for, say, Sergei Gonchar-type money ($5 million a year). If so, you give up a top six forward for sure, but Leafs' fans are dreaming if they think they can get Bobby Ryan for Kaberle. Not a chance, even if Brian Burke drafted him for the Ducks when he was their GM. Would the Sabres take Kaberle and give up Derek Roy or Jason Pominville? Probably. Would the Sharks take him for Devin Setoguchi? You bet. Would the Blue Jackets for Jake Voracek. For sure. How about Dallas for Loui Eriksson or Jamie Benn? Try the Bruins for centre David Krejci?


It's less a report as it is a guess as to where Kaberle might land and for whom.

My guess is that Regier would rather not move Pominville or Roy for Kaberle.

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Kaberle isn't worth Roy OR Pominville; we'd be getting MARGINALLY better, AT BEST.

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Good call on Foster, guys. That would be a very solid signing by Regier if he got it. I doubt it would cost a lot and there is a risk factor but i think we have solid depth in any case our top-6 sink. Assuming Foster wouldn't be their only defensive signing if both Lydman and Tallinder leave as free agents.

Another guy i love is Coyotes' Michalek. He's an elite shot blocker. He reminds me of a Jay McKee during his prime, except i think Michalek is a better skater.

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Zbynek Michalek? I love that guy...he's a mobile wall. I'd love to see him join the Sabres.

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Foster would be OK but he is still frigged from the broken leg he had from the icing in 2008. I'd much rather see Hamhuis get signed here


He was ready to play at the end of the 2008-09 season with Minnesota, but their d-corps was stacked, and they were making a playoff push and didn't have time to allow Foster to shake the rust off his game. He played in 71 games for TB, and his numbers speak for themselves. He's hardly "...frigged from the broken leg...".

I don't just want Foster for his PP shot, I want him because he's a legit 3/4 d-man that is big, solid defensively, and better than every current d-man except Myers and a healthy Rivet. On top of that he should be relatively cheap (about 2 mil per) and is right-handed which will be nice after next season when Rivet and Montador become UFAs.


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1980, you make a helluva sales pitch and have officially convinced me to jump on-board the Foster bandwagon despite my doofus point of view from earlier.

I still want Zbynek Michalek, tho. Imagine replacing Tallinder and Lydman with Foster (solid all-around, great shot) and Michalek (like McKee only can skate) for around 5.5 million combined a season. It would be an upgrade for less than money.

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I'm a big fan of upgrading the d-corps. Look at Anaheim, Detroit, Chicago, and even Pittsburgh had a really solid top four, if not a spectacular top four. Buffalo isn't close to having a top four like Anaheim or Detroit had, but two good players can give them a d-corps closer to Pitt or Chicago. Myers paired with almost anyone is solid, and bring in some big solid defense and a good PP guy, and we'll have a top four that can keep the puck out of the crease, skate up ice or make the breakout pass, and allow the smallish forwards to play a game that suits them better (transition going forward).

Improving the d-corps takes pressure off the forwards and makes the whole team better. This is an off-season where Darcy can actually make a significant improvement somewhere. Even if he keeps one or both of Tallinder/Lydman, it should be for less and allow another move. In that case I still would want Foster, since Rivet will be out for a while and nobody wants to see Butler starting.


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I'm of the mind to let Tallinder and Lydman walk in favor of signing both Foster and Michalek. I also advocate trading both Butler (who has potential still to bounce back from the sophomore slump) before the season starts and waiving or trading Sekera (who is mehhhh) once Rivet comes back. If this were to happen, the Sabres d-corps would be Myers, Foster, Montador, Michalek, Sekera, and Weber to start the season (with Rivet on IR and Grags as 7th). When Rivet comes back and Sekera is ditched the d-corps would be Myers, Foster, Rivet, Montador, Michalek, and Weber (with grags as 7th).

I think that's an upgrade to the d-corps, wouldn't you?

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If a better d-man than Tallinder can be signed for 2 mil per (very possible), I'm all for it. I agree that's an upgrade, and I put out a similar plan in the trade/acquisition section a minute ago.

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Zbynek Michalek? I love that guy...he's a mobile wall. I'd love to see him join the Sabres.


wheres the "like" button?

i wouldnt mind foster either.

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Kaberle isn't worth Roy OR Pominville; we'd be getting MARGINALLY better, AT BEST.



This.

If the deal is right Kaberle could help the team but I wouldn't be all gung-ho about getting him here if I was MNGT

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Kaberle isn't worth Roy OR Pominville; we'd be getting MARGINALLY better, AT BEST.

It would just be trading for one problem and creating another IMO.

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I don't think Myers is ever going to be a PP QB. Once he puts on some weight he'll actaully get some zip to his shot. But he doesn't have the vision to run the powerplay like true QB's do. That's just my opinion.



You just steered the bandwagon into a ditch, Debbie Downer. :(

LOL sorry man, but as Phil mentioned I have seen my fair share of Myers. When he played his final year here in junior our PP was pretty lethal. But Myers wasn't the one running it. It was Tyson Barrie. Myers will learn to be a great player on the PP, but I dont think he'll ever run it. His big body is very useful for keeping pucks in at the line and he can pass well. And like I said before once he puts some weight on he'll actually have a hard shot. I dont know why people say he has a cannon already. If you watch him shoot and watch others shoot its just not the same. Myers' shot lacks that umphf. But anyways he will be a great weapon for our PP but he wont be the QB.

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