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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:39 pm 
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That's because illegal immigrants don't have powerful lobbyists on the Capitol directing how legislation goes.

The "open border" lobby is actually quite substantial.

Aztlan.net
Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund
Mexica Movement
National Council of La Raza
Delete The Border
Irish Immigration Center
League of Latin American Citizens
La Raza Undia Party – English translation: Unified Race Party
Mexican American Youth Organization
Movimiento Estudiental de Chicanos de Aztlan
Southern Poverty Law Center

Those are just some of the national groups, many exist at state and local levels as well.

The fact that Hispanics represent the largest growing voting block is exactly the reason Washington won't do anything about the issue.
That's some serious sway when it comes to legislation.

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Wouldn't an open border lobby deal more with legal immigration, though?

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no, legal immigration doesn't need a lobby.
La Raza and Aztlan and their ilk approach the issue from the belief the US has no right to stop Hispanic immigration into what they consider Hispanic land.

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I'm gonna go bang my head against the wall now

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so I take you're a Native American then NY Intensity right? Cause if not, then maybe your ancestors should have gotten the F out.


Man, I don't know what you're talking about. No one was checking for citizenship when those guys hopped across the ice bridge.



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Has anyone ever considered that if a kid born to illegal parents, becomes a legal citizen, and the parents are not, the parents get deported... so who gets landed with the kid? oh the government... more tax dollars down the drain.

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"If Immigration & Customs Enforcement knows that a single parent (or both parents) is(are) being deported, they give the parent the option of having the children deported with them, at ICE's expense."

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And thats only if they actually get around to deporting them...

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Has anyone ever considered that if a kid born to illegal parents, becomes a legal citizen, and the parents are not, the parents get deported... so who gets landed with the kid? oh the government... more tax dollars down the drain.

uh no.

In that scenario, the kid is the reason the parents won't be deported.
Hence the term "anchor baby".

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Crosscheck wrote:
Rutledge222 wrote:
Has anyone ever considered that if a kid born to illegal parents, becomes a legal citizen, and the parents are not, the parents get deported... so who gets landed with the kid? oh the government... more tax dollars down the drain.

uh no.

In that scenario, the kid is the reason the parents won't be deported.
Hence the term "anchor baby".



Thats such bull shit though, just cause you have a Kid in america doesn't make YOU a citizen. Its bull shit... how many people do you honestly think that use having a kid as an excuse for staying here? Its bull shit.

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Crosscheck wrote:
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No matter what side of the immigration debate you may be on, this one is easy.

US Constitution, 14th Amenedment wrote:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


The justification that 'the founders didn't mean aliens' doesn't mean shit. Back then EVERYONE WAS AN ALIEN. The rule of law means we go by what the law SAYS, not what someone wants it to mean to fit their agenda.

This gets struck down FAST if it ever passes.


While I totally concede this is dead constitutionally, there's nothing in the constitution stating a state must issue a birth certificate to a person born to non-citizens.
The Federal government can recognize them as citizens...issue whatever documentation they want, there's no default responsibility on Arizona to do the same.

"and of the State wherein they reside".

Not sure the state wants to that openly discriminate on a group of CITIZENS that blatantly. I'm sure the south had all kinds of contingency plans for integration, but we know how that worked out.


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NYIntensity wrote:
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so I take you're a Native American then NY Intensity right? Cause if not, then maybe your ancestors should have gotten the F out.

Get off that fucking bandwagon dude, and into "civilized" history.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

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Crosscheck wrote:
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Has anyone ever considered that if a kid born to illegal parents, becomes a legal citizen, and the parents are not, the parents get deported... so who gets landed with the kid? oh the government... more tax dollars down the drain.

uh no.

In that scenario, the kid is the reason the parents won't be deported.
Hence the term "anchor baby".

XC, if I'm not mistaken, both parents can still be deported, but it's the parents' choice whether the kid stays.

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fly as hale wrote:
NYIntensity wrote:
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so I take you're a Native American then NY Intensity right? Cause if not, then maybe your ancestors should have gotten the F out.

Get off that fucking bandwagon dude, and into "civilized" history.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Anytime someone takes a hard-nose approach to immigration some jerk comes along and says "if you're not native american...". I'm sick of hearing it. That was a time before the laws existed.

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NYIntensity wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:
Rutledge222 wrote:
Has anyone ever considered that if a kid born to illegal parents, becomes a legal citizen, and the parents are not, the parents get deported... so who gets landed with the kid? oh the government... more tax dollars down the drain.

uh no.

In that scenario, the kid is the reason the parents won't be deported.
Hence the term "anchor baby".

XC, if I'm not mistaken, both parents can still be deported, but it's the parents' choice whether the kid stays.


Yep. That's the reason why the term 'anchor baby' is so downright stupid. There's the assumption that the parents get a free pass to stay permanently just by popping out offspring in the US. It does make it a little easier to get visas, but hey, that's LEGAL immigration.


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Yep. That's the reason why the term 'anchor baby' is so downright stupid. There's the assumption that the parents get a free pass to stay permanently just by popping out offspring in the US. It does make it a little easier to get visas, but hey, that's LEGAL immigration.

Sure, both parent's can be deported they just won't.
It's not worth the legal mess to ICE when there are much easier targets.
Want me to go transcribe the actual sequence of events from my neighbors from El Salvador?

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If you want to, I'd love to read the story, just to add fuel to the fire ;)

I realize it's a PITA, which is why they're not targeted.

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