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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:36 am 
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It's always been tough to predict how good an 18-year-old kid will be in four or five years when he's ready to join the league. Nowadays, teams not only have to project a player's talent, they have to guess whether the prospect even wants to play in North America. Russia's Kontinental Hockey League has become an alluring destination, and other European leagues appeal to players, too, especially those who learned the game overseas.

It's one reason why a trend has developed for the Buffalo Sabres. Every pick during the Sabres' last three drafts — all 22 players taken from 2007 to 2009 — has been American or Canadian. There's no guarantee all their selections during this week's draft in Los Angeles will be North Americans, but it's a safe bet the majority will be.

The Sabres' recent history with European draftees shows why North Americans have become the safer selection:

• Dennis Persson, selected in the first round of the 2006 draft, had a two-year deal with the Swedish Elite league and stayed one extra year before finally joining the Sabres' organization full time last season.

• Marek Zagrapan, the first-round pick in 2005, spent three years in the minors with the Sabres and decided to sign with the KHL rather than attempt to make the NHL in his fourth season.

• Philip Gogulla, who followed Zagrapan in the second round in 2005, had to be talked into joining the Sabres' organization last year after spending four seasons in his homeland of Germany. He quickly tired of the experiment and, after just one season in Portland, has re- signed with his German club.


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Buffalo needs to draft some players with skill and size particularly on offense. Besides Adam and Kassian they have hardly any guys in the system. I wouldn't be against them drafting a d-man with their first pick either and fortify the defense as well.


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This draft is much heavier with forward talent, and that's what Buffalo is aiming for in the 1st rd.


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
This draft is much heavier with forward talent, and that's what Buffalo is aiming for in the 1st rd.


I know this team doesn't need to draft a goalie with Enroth waiting in the wings but you have to take who you feel is the best player available. I really don't think you can afford to reach when this team can't afford to waste 1st round picks that don't pan out.


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But the past few years we've gone for more size also.

We stayed away from the "Soft Euro Trash" and picked up "Gritty North American" players instead, what else are we to DO? :O

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
But the past few years we've gone for more size also.

We stayed away from the "Soft Euro Trash" and picked up "Gritty North American" players instead, what else are we to DO? :O


I have to admit this team staying away from Soft Euro players has helped but this team needs more size and skill up front in the worst way. I just don't think it's a great idea to have 4 of your top 9 up front being 5'9" or smaller. It's not the recipe for a long playoff run.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
But the past few years we've gone for more size also.

We stayed away from the "Soft Euro Trash" and picked up "Gritty North American" players instead, what else are we to DO? :O


I have to admit this team staying away from Soft Euro players has helped but this team needs more size and skill up front in the worst way. I just don't think it's a great idea to have 4 of your top 9 up front being 5'9" or smaller. It's not the recipe for a long playoff run.


Euro Trash, Soft Euro...nice...real fucking nice.

How about European born Skill players.

Is it possible to avoid those two fucking statements that irk the hell out of me, and probably the European members of our message boards?

Also, if anybody thinks that Jacob Legacy or Alex Biega are tough players, you're going to be sadly disappointed. They both have good size, but are total purse swingers.

The Sabres need to draft nearly all forwards this year, we have I think at last count 14 defensive prospects in our system at the moment. If the best available player is European and we dont draft him, I'd be shocked. You do whats best for your system, it's just that more European born players are spending time in the CHL, WHL, OHL, etc; than before, and thats leading to a drop in the draft picks from European hockey clubs.

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jvaccaro6 wrote:
SabresBillsFan wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
But the past few years we've gone for more size also.

We stayed away from the "Soft Euro Trash" and picked up "Gritty North American" players instead, what else are we to DO? :O


I have to admit this team staying away from Soft Euro players has helped but this team needs more size and skill up front in the worst way. I just don't think it's a great idea to have 4 of your top 9 up front being 5'9" or smaller. It's not the recipe for a long playoff run.



The Sabres need to draft nearly all forwards this year, we have I think at last count 14 defensive prospects in our system at the moment. If the best available player is European and we dont draft him, I'd be shocked. You do whats best for your system, it's just that more European born players are spending time in the CHL, WHL, OHL, etc; than before, and thats leading to a drop in the draft picks from European hockey clubs.


I totally agree that they have to draft the best player available period and not for the system. Best player. But I would be very cautious on European players because most are looking for a payday or leave to play in their own country. We need players that don't want to leave your system just to play in your home country. This team can't afford to squander away high picks for a player that might never make the big team.


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Define most, 10 of the top 25 scoring leaders last year were European born and trained players...if you're saying most as in Gogulla, then yes that's correct, but most guys that are drafted to the NHL teams, play AHL or NHL hockey. Especially those drafted in the first 2 or 3 rounds.

Zagrapan, and Gogulla are the exception, the rule is, European born and trained players come here to play.

Why does everyone hate the European players so much on these boards? I just dont get it. Especially with their proven track record in the NHL. Many of the "superstars" in this league are Europeans, and have no problem adapting to the NHL style game. Zetterberg, Koivu, Sedins, Backstrom, Lidstrom, etc; I think they do a damn fine job.

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jvaccaro6 wrote:
Define most, 10 of the top 25 scoring leaders last year were European born and trained players...if you're saying most as in Gogulla, then yes that's correct, but most guys that are drafted to the NHL teams, play AHL or NHL hockey. Especially those drafted in the first 2 or 3 rounds.

Zagrapan, and Gogulla are the exception, the rule is, European born and trained players come here to play.

Why does everyone hate the European players so much on these boards? I just dont get it. Especially with their proven track record in the NHL. Many of the "superstars" in this league are Europeans, and have no problem adapting to the NHL style game. Zetterberg, Koivu, Sedins, Backstrom, Lidstrom, etc; I think they do a damn fine job.


I don't hate any of the European players as my favorite players were Bure and Selanne for many years. But with the Sabres it's okay if they are going to drafting a Euro that's currently playing in the CHL or in North America then I see no issue's. But all I'm saying is this team can't afford to waste a high pick on a player that might never make the big club. They are having better luck with getting north american players and you have least worries about them wanting to go back and play in their home country. Plus most of the players that you mentioned are Swedes. Most Swedes want to play in the NHL.


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
This draft is much heavier with forward talent, and that's what Buffalo is aiming for in the 1st rd.


I know this team doesn't need to draft a goalie with Enroth waiting in the wings but you have to take who you feel is the best player available. I really don't think you can afford to reach when this team can't afford to waste 1st round picks that don't pan out.

i disagree


we need to draft the best player available in the position that we need the most, not who is the top player overall

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Montalo wrote:
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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
This draft is much heavier with forward talent, and that's what Buffalo is aiming for in the 1st rd.


I know this team doesn't need to draft a goalie with Enroth waiting in the wings but you have to take who you feel is the best player available. I really don't think you can afford to reach when this team can't afford to waste 1st round picks that don't pan out.

i disagree


we need to draft the best player available in the position that we need the most, not who is the top player overall


I don't disagree that if your looking for forwards that you take the best player available at that position.
Right now this team doesn't really need to draft a goalie but I would be against grabbing a d-man either. Remember I would rather have a player that can play at the NHL rather than reach for a guy who can't. At least their is trade value if you have too many players at one position. The key is to draft people that can play at the NHL level.


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If Jack Campbell is available at the 23 spot, the Sabres need to take him. Unlike a lot of people, I do NOT think Jhonas Enroth is NHL-ready. He's good and can go on sick runs, but he also craps the bed too much. He's reminding me more and more of Antero Nittymaki, and I pay a lot of attention to him.

I would shit a brick if we saw the Sabres take the next great American goalie in the first round, and I mean that in a good way.

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If Jack Campbell is available at the 23 spot, the Sabres need to take him. Unlike a lot of people, I do NOT think Jhonas Enroth is NHL-ready. He's good and can go on sick runs, but he also craps the bed too much. He's reminding me more and more of Antero Nittymaki, and I pay a lot of attention to him.

I would shit a brick if we saw the Sabres take the next great American goalie in the first round, and I mean that in a good way.


I think alot of people that are fans of this team would be pissed if we took a goalie at 23. Don't get me wrong he might end up being a great goalie but the problem with the Sabres is they don't have any prospects in the system that are gifted offensively besides Adam and Kassian. Yes we all know about good goaltending but this team needs offensive players that can score.


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there are a lot of good things about Jack Campbell, and though i will agree it is not our greatest need, the kid wins games and can come through when you really need him to.

on the forward side at 23 i have skinner, Etem, Hayes, Pitlick, and Nelson, the latter four are big with skill, skinner is only 5'10"

I'd consider taking a chance on Kabanov but i would trade back to get him, he has skill but I am worried about the KHL draw and the fact that Ruff's track record with Russians.

Skinner: http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/05/26/hold ... uting-rep/
http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdet ... 37&tab=scr

Etem: http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/05/26/hold ... ng-report/
http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdet ... 14&tab=scr

Nelson: http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/05/26/hold ... ng-report/
http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdet ... 36&tab=scr

Hayes: http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdet ... 63&tab=scr

Pitlick:http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?dpid=2637&tab=scr
http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/05/26/tyle ... ng-report/

on the defensive side:
Merrill (think along the lines of Myers), and McIlrath (one scary mother fucker could be a larry playfair for the sabres). that is the order in which i would draft them too.

Merrill: http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/05/26/hold ... ng-report/
http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdet ... 67&tab=scr

McIlrath: http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdet ... 21&tab=scr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVSLJhpzGf0&feature=fvsr


Goalie Jack Campbell:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdet ... 50&tab=scr
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But the past few years we've gone for more size also.

We stayed away from the "Soft Euro Trash" and picked up "Gritty North American" players instead, what else are we to DO? :O


I have to admit this team staying away from Soft Euro players has helped but this team needs more size and skill up front in the worst way. I just don't think it's a great idea to have 4 of your top 9 up front being 5'9" or smaller. It's not the recipe for a long playoff run.


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I'm not against drafting euro's. I'm against Darcy drafting euro's. He can obviously find one's with skill but can't find the one's with the work ethic or passion to play in the NHL. I've talked the kid up a bit and I'm gonna throw his name out again. Beau Bennett is a player we should consider greatly at the 23 spot. He's going to college so he'll take some time but he has the potential to be a first line winger and PP specialist. Kid's fast, good vision, great playmaker and can shoot well too.

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If Jack Campbell is available at the 23 spot, the Sabres need to take him. Unlike a lot of people, I do NOT think Jhonas Enroth is NHL-ready. He's good and can go on sick runs, but he also craps the bed too much. He's reminding me more and more of Antero Nittymaki, and I pay a lot of attention to him.

I would shit a brick if we saw the Sabres take the next great American goalie in the first round, and I mean that in a good way.


I think alot of people that are fans of this team would be pissed if we took a goalie at 23. Don't get me wrong he might end up being a great goalie but the problem with the Sabres is they don't have any prospects in the system that are gifted offensively besides Adam and Kassian. Yes we all know about good goaltending but this team needs offensive players that can score.

I agree about the Sabres need to address offensive depth in the next couple of drafts, but after being really high on Enroth, my confidence in him has lessened considerably. I would sacrifice this year's first round by taking a goalie who is going to be rock solid in later years.

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I dont like drafting goalies in the first round. Especially when you consider the fact that we got our prized possesion in the fifth round. Its just something I've never liked.

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SabresBillsFan wrote:
Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
This draft is much heavier with forward talent, and that's what Buffalo is aiming for in the 1st rd.


I know this team doesn't need to draft a goalie with Enroth waiting in the wings but you have to take who you feel is the best player available. I really don't think you can afford to reach when this team can't afford to waste 1st round picks that don't pan out.


enroth isnt that guy. he could be a starter some day, but hes going to be in the same region as like a dwayne roloson. middle of the pack kinda guy. id like to see them draft a top flight goalie.

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