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I'm sure he's doing something to make this team better as a playoff contending team. I highly doubt he's just sitting on his ass.

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I'm sure he's doing something to make this team better as a playoff contending team. I highly doubt he's just sitting on his ass.


God I sure hope so because he sure seems like he sits on his ass and always tells us about the market and the market wasn't there. I'm not a big fan of Darcy at all. He's way too conservative as a GM.


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I think the management knows what they need, knows what's out there and wants to make this team better. That being said I agree that Darcy is way to conservative. I just hope we don't hear Darcy's old explanation of building from within and believing in our guys. Getting tired of him telling us it's going to alright like we're scared kids during a thunderstorm.

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I think the management knows what they need, knows what's out there and wants to make this team better. That being said I agree that Darcy is way to conservative. I just hope we don't hear Darcy's old explanation of building from within and believing in our guys. Getting tired of him telling us it's going to alright like we're scared kids during a thunderstorm.


You and me both I'm getting sick and tired of his building from within excuse as well. It's fine if you plan on building from within and you tinker your roster from time to time to fill needs where you see fit. But I'm not a fan with this approach if he trades 2 2nd rounders two years in a row for rental garbage. Why trade those picks that will only be on the team no longer than a month or two. It's foolish to trade a high pick for a rental when this team relies heavily on those picks. I could see if you trade a high pick if almost all pieces are in place for a cup run but this team wasn't close the last two years.


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Building from within is all well and good but our team's chemistry is questionable, talent is suspect and leadership soft. If building from within was working well enough to assure that we were a talented squad with strong leadership at the player level then yeah for Darcy, but we lack key components that keep this team from being a serious contender. We need to fish for a legit goal scorer, a dependable D man and someone with size and anger issues. Those are things we have been lacking with this "build from within" mentality. While we're talking about changes, please God I hope Darcy and Ruff give us a captain we and the team deserve instead of Rivet.

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Building from within is all well and good but our team's chemistry is questionable, talent is suspect and leadership soft. If building from within was working well enough to assure that we were a talented squad with strong leadership at the player level then yeah for Darcy, but we lack key components that keep this team from being a serious contender. We need to fish for a legit goal scorer, a dependable D man and someone with size and anger issues. Those are things we have been lacking with this "build from within" mentality. While we're talking about changes, please God I hope Darcy and Ruff give us a captain we and the team deserve instead of Rivet.


Couldn't agree more.


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While we're talking about changes, please God I hope Darcy and Ruff give us a captain we and the team deserve instead of Rivet.


You mean the guy who played an entire year with major shoulder damage, and never once complained about it? Went out there and gave it all he could with an injury that would have sidelined most players for the season.

I'll take that kind of guy as my captain any day.


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Squanto wrote:
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While we're talking about changes, please God I hope Darcy and Ruff give us a captain we and the team deserve instead of Rivet.


You mean the guy who played an entire year with major shoulder damage, and never once complained about it? Went out there and gave it all he could with an injury that would have sidelined most players for the season.

I'll take that kind of guy as my captain any day.


Yeah but in all honesty the guy should have sat out. We can't question that he wanted to play and help the team but what good are you going to be when your body is giving you trouble and then do nothing about it. I think he's a decent leader but not a captain. The crazy thing is the only guy I would want to wear the C on this team is in net.


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I'm guessing Rivet could clearly see that the team barely had a 6th defenseman that could cut the mustard at the NHL level, let alone a 7th that could step in if he had the surgery done during the season.

An injured Rivet was a better option.


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I'm guessing Rivet could clearly see that the team barely had a 6th defenseman that could cut the mustard at the NHL level, let alone a 7th that could step in if he had the surgery done during the season.

An injured Rivet was a better option.


Believe me I don't disagree with you but playing injuried all season isn't going to help your situation and help the team all that much. It probably would have been beneficial to have him get surgery and possibly bring up Weber or play Butler or Sekera more. That's the only way those guys are going to get better is by playing.


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I'm guessing Rivet could clearly see that the team barely had a 6th defenseman that could cut the mustard at the NHL level, let alone a 7th that could step in if he had the surgery done during the season.

An injured Rivet was a better option.


Easy man, I'm not calling Rivet's dedication or guts into question. I just think that as far as on ice leadership goes he couldn't get the job done this year. We need a spark, a leader that will go out there and carry the team if he has to and Rivet just can't do it IMO. Rivet gave his all and was injured, I get it, I love that he still played and he's a beast in my eyes. I think he's a great leader in the dressing room but I personally want someone who can jump in on the ice repeatably and consistently say "Hey guys! That's how you do it! Now get off your asses and get it done!"

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Squanto wrote:
I'm guessing Rivet could clearly see that the team barely had a 6th defenseman that could cut the mustard at the NHL level, let alone a 7th that could step in if he had the surgery done during the season.

An injured Rivet was a better option.


Easy man, I'm not calling Rivet's dedication or guts into question. I just think that as far as on ice leadership goes he couldn't get the job done this year. We need a spark, a leader that will go out there and carry the team if he has to and Rivet just can't do it IMO. Rivet gave his all and was injured, I get it, I love that he still played and he's a beast in my eyes. I think he's a great leader in the dressing room but I personally want someone who can jump in on the ice repeatably and consistently say "Hey guys! That's how you do it! Now get off your asses and get it done!"


I think Rivet's leadership warrants a Assistant Captain but in all honesty the C on this team should be worn by Miller. At least that's what I think.


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I agree that Miller deserves it and could get the job done well but I wouldn't want to add anything on his shoulders. He's a machine and I don't want to fuck with his mojo.

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SabresBillsFan wrote:
Believe me I don't disagree with you but playing injuried all season isn't going to help your situation and help the team all that much. It probably would have been beneficial to have him get surgery and possibly bring up Weber or play Butler or Sekera more. That's the only way those guys are going to get better is by playing.


Butler had all the ice time he could eat, and still played his way out of the lineup. Sekera played 50 games too. At the end of the year neither one of them was playing good enough to stay in, and that's why Ruff was rotating them.

I don't think Weber is every going to be a full time NHL defenseman. He's had opportunities to make the team when they had holes in the 5/6 pair, and could never do it.


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SabresBillsFan wrote:
I think Rivet's leadership warrants a Assistant Captain but in all honesty the C on this team should be worn by Miller. At least that's what I think.


Goalies should not be captains. I think Luongo's stunt was a joke.


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Goalies should not be captains. I think Luongo's stunt was a joke.


I agree. Hard to wear the C when you're away from your guys for half of the game play and still be an effective leader. I mean you can lead by your play I suppose but you can do that without the C.

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Squanto wrote:
SabresBillsFan wrote:
Believe me I don't disagree with you but playing injuried all season isn't going to help your situation and help the team all that much. It probably would have been beneficial to have him get surgery and possibly bring up Weber or play Butler or Sekera more. That's the only way those guys are going to get better is by playing.


Butler had all the ice time he could eat, and still played his way out of the lineup. Sekera played 50 games too. At the end of the year neither one of them was playing good enough to stay in, and that's why Ruff was rotating them.

I don't think Weber is every going to be a full time NHL defenseman. He's had opportunities to make the team when they had holes in the 5/6 pair, and could never do it.


It's sounds like the organization is going to give Weber a shot if they don't re-sign Tallinder or Lydman. I think this organization is still high on Weber. He just isn't developing as they expected he would after getting a handful of games a few years back. The thing I like about Weber is he's a hitter and this team could use another hitter on the backend.


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Butler had all the ice time he could eat, and still played his way out of the lineup. Sekera played 50 games too. At the end of the year neither one of them was playing good enough to stay in, and that's why Ruff was rotating them.

I don't think Weber is every going to be a full time NHL defenseman. He's had opportunities to make the team when they had holes in the 5/6 pair, and could never do it.


I'm not impressed with any of our young defensemen except Myers of course. I honestly think the most important move we can make is first to get a goal scorer in here then get some help in our own end for Hank (if we keep him) and Myers. Watching our young D hurts my soul sometimes.

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Yeah, I agree. I feel bad for Butler, he looked like he had a lot of promise when he was first called up. Just seemed to all go in the tank after that though.


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