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Define most, 10 of the top 25 scoring leaders last year were European born and trained players...if you're saying most as in Gogulla, then yes that's correct, but most guys that are drafted to the NHL teams, play AHL or NHL hockey. Especially those drafted in the first 2 or 3 rounds.

Zagrapan, and Gogulla are the exception, the rule is, European born and trained players come here to play.

Why does everyone hate the European players so much on these boards? I just dont get it. Especially with their proven track record in the NHL. Many of the "superstars" in this league are Europeans, and have no problem adapting to the NHL style game. Zetterberg, Koivu, Sedins, Backstrom, Lidstrom, etc; I think they do a damn fine job.


They don't fight. The euro with the most fights last season was that dude for the Kings, and he was 22nd overall in number of fights. I love goons.


I love Vanek, Lydman, and Hecht though so I don't really hare Euro players. Just the soft purse swinging euros on the other 29 NHL teams.

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But the past few years we've gone for more size also.

We stayed away from the "Soft Euro Trash" and picked up "Gritty North American" players instead, what else are we to DO? :O


I have to admit this team staying away from Soft Euro players has helped but this team needs more size and skill up front in the worst way. I just don't think it's a great idea to have 4 of your top 9 up front being 5'9" or smaller. It's not the recipe for a long playoff run.


Euro Trash, Soft Euro...nice...real fucking nice.

How about European born Skill players.

Is it possible to avoid those two fucking statements that irk the hell out of me, and probably the European members of our message boards?

Also, if anybody thinks that Jacob Legacy or Alex Biega are tough players, you're going to be sadly disappointed. They both have good size, but are total purse swingers.

The Sabres need to draft nearly all forwards this year, we have I think at last count 14 defensive prospects in our system at the moment. If the best available player is European and we dont draft him, I'd be shocked. You do whats best for your system, it's just that more European born players are spending time in the CHL, WHL, OHL, etc; than before, and thats leading to a drop in the draft picks from European hockey clubs.

I was being sarcastic, I wanted to be Don Cherry saying about how Euro Trash Euros are, and how amazing and gritty American players are, reason both were in Quotes.

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I dont like drafting goalies in the first round. Especially when you consider the fact that we got our prized possesion in the fifth round. Its just something I've never liked.


I'm not a big fan of drafting goalie's in the first round as I also agree that you can find one in the later rounds. Yes we all know what great goaltending can do but what good is having a great goalie if you don't have enough scoring. It's not Buffalo's biggest need right now and if Darcy uses the 1st round pick on a goalie I'm sure their will be alot of pissed off fans because most of us know this organization has hardly any offensive prospects.


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SabresBillsFan wrote:
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I dont like drafting goalies in the first round. Especially when you consider the fact that we got our prized possesion in the fifth round. Its just something I've never liked.


I'm not a big fan of drafting goalie's in the first round as I also agree that you can find one in the later rounds. Yes we all know what great goaltending can do but what good is having a great goalie if you don't have enough scoring. It's not Buffalo's biggest need right now and if Darcy uses the 1st round pick on a goalie I'm sure their will be alot of pissed off fans because most of us know this organization has hardly any offensive prospects.

How about in 5 years when that guy matures; Ryan Miller wasn't much of a pick when he was taken, but what is it now, 11 years later, and look at him! Just saying; it's time to make another investment for the future, Phil's right. Enroth doesn't look like he's the next answer, and we don't usually find ourself in cap condition to make the trade we'd need to.

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I dont like drafting goalies in the first round. Especially when you consider the fact that we got our prized possesion in the fifth round. Its just something I've never liked.


I'm not a big fan of drafting goalie's in the first round as I also agree that you can find one in the later rounds. Yes we all know what great goaltending can do but what good is having a great goalie if you don't have enough scoring. It's not Buffalo's biggest need right now and if Darcy uses the 1st round pick on a goalie I'm sure their will be alot of pissed off fans because most of us know this organization has hardly any offensive prospects.

How about in 5 years when that guy matures; Ryan Miller wasn't much of a pick when he was taken, but what is it now, 11 years later, and look at him! Just saying; it's time to make another investment for the future, Phil's right. Enroth doesn't look like he's the next answer, and we don't usually find ourself in cap condition to make the trade we'd need to.


Believe me I don't disagree with what your saying about a goalie, but you also need to score goals and this team hardly has any offensive prospects in the system besides Adam and Kassian and I hardly think Kassian is a sniper. Yes a great goalie will keep you in games but what good is he if your losing games because lack of scoring. I think their will be alot of pissed off people if Darcy picks a goalie with the 23rd pick.


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Oh well, then. I for one would celebrate taking Campbell with the 23rd pick, but it's not like I'm gonna crucify the organization if they don't.

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Oh well, then. I for one would celebrate taking Campbell with the 23rd pick, but it's not like I'm gonna crucify the organization if they don't.


Don't get me wrong I think he's going to be a very good goalie but unfortunately this team needs offensive prospect help in the worst possible way.


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I'm not against drafting euro's. I'm against Darcy drafting euro's. He can obviously find one's with skill but can't find the one's with the work ethic or passion to play in the NHL. I've talked the kid up a bit and I'm gonna throw his name out again. Beau Bennett is a player we should consider greatly at the 23 spot. He's going to college so he'll take some time but he has the potential to be a first line winger and PP specialist. Kid's fast, good vision, great playmaker and can shoot well too.

Ghaaaaa! Haven't I taught you people anything? Plural of a word does not equal apostrophe s. That means possesion, as in one's name. Or a contraction of "is" like in the end of your post.

Also I totally agree with Jay on the European players point. Each person is an individual, and though one's cultural background certainly affects the individual, categorizing someone based on where they come from is really no better than doing it based on the color of their skin.


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SabresBillsFan wrote:
NYIntensity wrote:
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sabresEH wrote:
I dont like drafting goalies in the first round. Especially when you consider the fact that we got our prized possesion in the fifth round. Its just something I've never liked.


I'm not a big fan of drafting goalie's in the first round as I also agree that you can find one in the later rounds. Yes we all know what great goaltending can do but what good is having a great goalie if you don't have enough scoring. It's not Buffalo's biggest need right now and if Darcy uses the 1st round pick on a goalie I'm sure their will be alot of pissed off fans because most of us know this organization has hardly any offensive prospects.

How about in 5 years when that guy matures; Ryan Miller wasn't much of a pick when he was taken, but what is it now, 11 years later, and look at him! Just saying; it's time to make another investment for the future, Phil's right. Enroth doesn't look like he's the next answer, and we don't usually find ourself in cap condition to make the trade we'd need to.


Believe me I don't disagree with what your saying about a goalie, but you also need to score goals and this team hardly has any offensive prospects in the system besides Adam and Kassian and I hardly think Kassian is a sniper. Yes a great goalie will keep you in games but what good is he if your losing games because lack of scoring. I think their will be alot of pissed off people if Darcy picks a goalie with the 23rd pick.


Drafting a goalie in the first round is bad news. Putting all that pressure on a goalie is no good. Marc-Andre Fleury and Carey Price have each had trouble living up to the hype, and Fleury's the one who has won a Cup. He still gets scrutinized about everything.

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NYIntensity wrote:
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I dont like drafting goalies in the first round. Especially when you consider the fact that we got our prized possesion in the fifth round. Its just something I've never liked.


I'm not a big fan of drafting goalie's in the first round as I also agree that you can find one in the later rounds. Yes we all know what great goaltending can do but what good is having a great goalie if you don't have enough scoring. It's not Buffalo's biggest need right now and if Darcy uses the 1st round pick on a goalie I'm sure their will be alot of pissed off fans because most of us know this organization has hardly any offensive prospects.

How about in 5 years when that guy matures; Ryan Miller wasn't much of a pick when he was taken, but what is it now, 11 years later, and look at him! Just saying; it's time to make another investment for the future, Phil's right. Enroth doesn't look like he's the next answer, and we don't usually find ourself in cap condition to make the trade we'd need to.


Enroth is absolutely our next goalie unless Miller has the type of career here like Brodeur has had with the Devils. Enroth will become backup eventually, and then he'll want a starting job, and he'll most likely build up his resume enough to do that.

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Watch Enroth - he's got a LONG way to go. He over-commits way too much and pops out rebounds he was Marty Turco.

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Who gives a shit where the player is from? Pick the player that has the skill you want, and the personality to fit with the team. It'll never be perfect, but you do the best you can.

I know that we all know about Russians who want to play with Russians. Why wouldn't they? If I was in a foreign country for my job, I'd gravitate towards Americans too if I could. It only makes sense. I'd also try to make friends with everyone else I worked with too, as I'm sure most would.

It's just so much bullshit. I've seen just as many soft North Americans as I've seen soft Europeans. I've also seen plenty of tough, gritty Europeans players, along with North Americans too.

Pick the player who's best, regardless of what hemisphere they hail from.


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An Insider's View of One NHL Chief Scout's Draft Board
http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/06/21/an-i ... aft-board/

6/21/2010 10:49 AM ET By Christopher Botta

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On the condition of providing anonymity, NHL FanHouse has received an insider's look at the top 10 selections on the draft board of a chief amateur scout of one NHL team. As you will see from some of his surprises -- one in particular -- no one can predict what will happen on Friday night in Los Angeles. Keep in mind this is not a mock draft, but purely one man's view of the top 10 players in the 2010 NHL Draft. His comments follow each listing.


1. Taylor Hall, LW, Windsor (OHL) -- "The player with the best chance of being a 'superstar.' There were things about him a year ago that raised flags for me, mostly about attitude and defense. But I was really impressed by his all-around game this year. He was on the better team, but you have to acknowledge he was far better than (Tyler) Seguin head-to-head in the playoffs."

2. Jack Campbell, G, U.S. Development Program -- "Might be a surprise for some, but I have no doubt. Right after Hall, Campbell (pictured) is the biggest high-end talent in the draft. A franchise goalie. A winner -- look at his international play. After one year in Windsor (OHL), he could step right into the NHL. I know he probably won't go in the top five. But in five years, it wouldn't surprise me if he was the biggest name from this draft."

3. Tyler Seguin, C, Plymouth (OHL) -- "He's this year's Matt Duchene. Well-rounded, with a phenomenal attitude. He proved this season that he could finish."

4. Cam Fowler, D, Windsor (OHL) -- "Really more like 3-B right with Seguin. Sees the game beautifully. Good enough to have an impact in the NHL this season. All of the kids in my top four, in my view, can be perennial all-stars."

5. Brett Connolly, RW, Prince George (WHL) -- "The hip injury doesn't bother me. Some team is going to get very lucky he dropped to them. Connolly will be a 35-goal scorer and he'll give you a lot of leadership."

6. Erik Gudbranson, D, Kingston (OHL) -- "Love that kid. Great size and work habits and defense. He will add offense to his game because he's a good student and has some ability. Gudbranson's a player you can put in your lineup for the next 15 years and know he'll help you win."

7. Alex Burmistrov, C, Barrie (OHL) -- "Never thought he'd be in my top 10 at the beginning of last season, but he showed so much in Barrie. Teams tried to mug him, but he always battled back. Tremendous skill. Really impressive in his workout and meeting at the Draft Combine."


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8. Brandon Gormley, D, Moncton (QMJHL) -- "Very smart, skilled defenseman. He'll play in the league a long time. I see him as a No. 2 defenseman who, with a big push and good coaching, has a chance to be something more."

9. Jeff Skinner, C, Kitchener (OHL) -- "You hope he fills out over the next couple of years. I just can't ignore 50 regular season goals and another 20 in 20 games in the playoffs. He has some flaws, but there are times when the stats say everything you need to know."

10. Nino Niederreiter, RW, Portland, (WHL) -- "I like his spirit and that he plays with power. To make it at this level, he's still going to need to go on a strength and conditioning program. With time, he should be a 30-goal scorer and the kind of player you can count on in the postseason. He seems like a kid who loves the challenge."

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We're not going to get a player that puts up serious points any time in the next 3-5 years at the NHL level anyways.

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Thats what sucks about always drafting in the 13-25 range like the last few years (Tyler Myers aside)...all the impact/scoring forwards are off the board and you end up with the Marek Zagrapans of the world unless you get luck (Tyler Ennis)....we're never going to be bad enough to draft a Kane/Ovie/Crosby/Malkin/Stamkos type. Thats the crappy thing about the cap is that teams stuck in the middle like us are never bad enough to draft a superstar, but are never good enough to win a cup.

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So far every single pick has been Canadian... so we shall see... looks like this is accurate though.

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Watch Enroth - he's got a LONG way to go. He over-commits way too much and pops out rebounds he was Marty Turco.


he also sits too deep in the crease, i think, and given he drops to the butterfly alot, that 5-9 frame of his is going to leave net open above his shoulders.

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HelloMyKneeGrows wrote:
Thats what sucks about always drafting in the 13-25 range like the last few years (Tyler Myers aside)...all the impact/scoring forwards are off the board and you end up with the Marek Zagrapans of the world unless you get luck (Tyler Ennis)....we're never going to be bad enough to draft a Kane/Ovie/Crosby/Malkin/Stamkos type. Thats the crappy thing about the cap is that teams stuck in the middle like us are never bad enough to draft a superstar, but are never good enough to win a cup.

Myers was a number 12 overall, so he doesn't need to be the exception, since he wasn't in the 13-25 range. :P :lol:

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