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Sabresfansince1980
 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2010
PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:28 am 
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Yeah, getting it right trumps everything else, and the players would rather have it right when it's their names in the history and stat books.


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Squanto
 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2010
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The fact that goals in soccer mean more in the context of that sport demands that they should do SOMETHING to make sure they get goal calls RIGHT. One goal in soccer is almost always the difference between winning and losing.

Of course, the purists will say that neither of the missed goal calls this weekend affected the outcome, but that's a cop out. Being tied at the half in the knockout stage is significantly different than being down 1, especially when you got jobbed out of the equalizer.

Don't review fouls. Review scoring plays only, that's all you need to do.


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 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2010
PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:42 am 
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The whole nonstop nature of the game; well they do add time anyway so why not incorporate the replay already?

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 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2010
PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:21 pm 
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Squanto wrote:

Don't review fouls. Review scoring plays only, that's all you need to do.


What about when the foul is in the box. If it's a blatant dive, and the guy is awarded a penalty, it's basically the same thing as giving them a goal. I say penalties given in the box need to be quickly video reviewed to make sure the guy was at least TOUCHED by the defender who supposedly fouled him. Too many goals come from guys just acting it up inside the 18. If it's a grey area, stick with what the ref called, but too many times it's clear from 5 seconds of video that the guy is just acting.


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 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2010
PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:35 pm 
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I've enjoyed this tourney so far, and I always have and will, but there's one thing about soccer that kind of irks me. That's jersey trading with an opponent after the game. It's gross, kind of gay, and could be construed as disloyal/unpatriotic, and is just very un-hockey-like.

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Squanto
 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2010
PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:39 pm 
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YankeeInRaleigh wrote:
What about when the foul is in the box. If it's a blatant dive, and the guy is awarded a penalty, it's basically the same thing as giving them a goal. I say penalties given in the box need to be quickly video reviewed to make sure the guy was at least TOUCHED by the defender who supposedly fouled him. Too many goals come from guys just acting it up inside the 18. If it's a grey area, stick with what the ref called, but too many times it's clear from 5 seconds of video that the guy is just acting.


I don't totally disagree, but that's a slippery slope. If you vid review calls in the box, you almost have to vid review things out in the rest of the field, and that's ugly.

Yes, some of the cards have been absolute bullshit, but I don't know how much you can really do about that. The scoring plays are most important, that's why I suggested only that be subject to review.


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FIFA just banned video replay in arenas during the World Cup

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Squanto
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FIFA also bans showing the actual time of the game in stadiums.

Because letting the spectators know that information would be ....um.....bad?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:18 pm 
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They really know how to make an ass out of themselves, don't they?

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Squanto wrote:
FIFA also bans showing the actual time of the game in stadiums.

Because letting the spectators know that information would be ....um.....bad?

because of the fact that its the ref's watch is the offical time, it would be kinda hard


and on this goal replay situation


i was talking with someone, and he had a good idea


position one additional officals behind each net, and have him be the primary person to say if it was a good goal or not

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 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2010
PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:49 pm 
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Squanto wrote:
If you vid review calls in the box, you almost have to vid review things out in the rest of the field, and that's ugly.




I really dont think so, there is such a distinct difference between a direct kick INSIDE the box (a penalty shot) and a direct kick outside the box. I mean, the percentage of penalty shots successfully converted must be around 85-90%, whereas immediately outside the box it cant possibly be more than 10% conversion. That seems the ideal place to draw the line in regards to reviewing fouls, since a penalty shot is basically the same thing as a goal.

Whatever, this is so moot, FIFA is about as transparent as the reffing for the NHL, we have ZERO say, and any changes made will be utterly late and half-assed.


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mechaphil
 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2010
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Except the big difference is the NHL:
1) Has video review
2) Doesn't ban video replay of questionable calls in the arena

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 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2010
PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:25 pm 
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ok, heres something that sorta upsets me. many posters here, including myself, are new to soccer for the most part. for all we know, this sort of things happens ALL the time. its very american of us to come in, see something, and immediately want it fixed. for all we know, this is the way its been for as long as FIFA has been around.

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 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2010
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It's not just us Americans who want it fixed, Mike. The entire world is clamoring for FIFA to join the 21st century and stop taking steps backwards from accountability.

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 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2010
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half of the countries who are part of fifa arnt even in 21st century. bad calls have been part of the world cup for as long as i can remember.

i mean, everyone should want the game to be its best. just obnoxious seeing everyone and their dogs barking at FIFA, when they probably had no idea what FIFA was before june.

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 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2010
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Oh shit, true that.

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 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2010
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its like, to me, kinda like congress getting involved in the NCAA football BCS issues, and trying to force the NCAA to implement a playoff system.

what the FUCK does congress have to do with anything NCAA????

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 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2010
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What is up with that anyways?

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Sabresfansince1980
 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2010
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I can complain, I've been into the World Cup since 1986.

The pace of the game has gotten to the point that it's totally unfair to expect one referee to be able to see everything all over the pitch. Diving has become more ingrained into the game, and that makes it harder to refs to tell right from wrong. I have to admit that this WC has been better in that regard, but again today Slovakia scored a (meaningless) PK goal after the striker flopped when he came near the goalie in the penalty area. It was actually the last play of the game and wasn't enought to make a difference, but it still shows how another ref and/or refs at each goal line would make the game better. Not perfect...but certainly better.


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 Post subject: Re: World Cup 2010
PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:00 pm 
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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
half of the countries who are part of fifa arnt even in 21st century. bad calls have been part of the world cup for as long as i can remember.

i mean, everyone should want the game to be its best. just obnoxious seeing everyone and their dogs barking at FIFA, when they probably had no idea what FIFA was before june.

Good point... It would cost a buttload to instal, if you were to impliment this world wide, which you know they would have to. Instituting it ONLY for world cup matches would be not only a pain in the ass for FIFA but a slap in the face to countries that can't afford/don't have the technology to put this in place. And it would make FIFA look like push over douchbags. Nyeh.

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