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Well now with Pittsburgh done can Darcy please get Hamhuis RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


thats what im hoping. high five, eh?


Yes High five 8-)

It would make sense Hamhuis in Buffalo now with Lydman gone, I'd pay anything for him to be in Blue and Gold

I guess that is about the only move Regier could make to make us better, AND please the fans(which doesn't seem to be a priority).
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See B&Y, you first responded to my other post with a ridiculous exaggeration - that NO UFAs ever signed in Buffalo. Now you say name a good trade that Darcy made, as if there never were any.

Don't respond with off the cliff exaggerations from the opposite point of view. It shows you just aren't willing or aren't capable right now of having a reasonable discussion.

Obviously you just choose to insult me instead of having a reasonable discussion. You say we can't assume anything about Darcy, yet you still say our opinions are wrong and Darcy isn't to blame.

Last 3 years, name a good trade.

We got Rivet
We got Torres
We got Zuburus

Our trades were for one year. Rivet was the best trade. He used to trade and pick up UFA's now the past 3 years nothing has happened. When no trades or FA signings happen you don't blame the GM you blame the rest of the world??? Come on man. Darcy isn't a good GM.

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Displaced, I come from the angle that we don't know all the details, so it's almost impossible to make a confident judgement about free agency offers/non-offers. You and others want so badly to hang someone, that you'll assume it's all about Darcy just so you have someone to point a finger at.

The best way to judge a GM is by trades, because everything is apparent in that process. We see what each team wanted or were willing to accept in a trade, and then we see the results a few years later. Darcy done a pretty good job over the years with trades. In free agency, we never know what the player's thoughts were, or what management was willing to offer anybody unless it actually happens. Regier isn't the one that all of a sudden made Buffalo unattractive for big name UFAs. Regier didn't make the Sabres profit margin incapable of taking on more than a few big time contracts - it's been that way forever.

I can guarantee that no matter who the Sabres GM is, he'll get the same people complaining with the same thing every year. It's not all about Regier...it just isn't.


Well i respectfully disagree. I'm sorry but when year in and year out our team has various needs that are left unadressed it would leave me to believe that based on such a long timeline of ineefective trades and signings that the GM has to have at least some impact on it. This inactivity cannot be completely out of his control and if it is then by default his lack of impact means he's expendable. What I am saying is that many many other organizations would have shit canned darcy for either his lack of control of the trades, lack of courgae or just the general fact that the team has been mediocre for so long. I mean if he's as meaningless to the process because no one wants to come here anyhow then what do you have to lose if you fire him?

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Wait, you said you don't know all the details, yet you guarantee that Darcy isn't to blame???


No, you're pretending that I said that. I said he's not the whole reason, and probably not anywhere near most of the reason.

Everything I say, you respond by twisting it into an extreme. You're discussing this with the mentality of a 13 yr old.
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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
Displaced, I come from the angle that we don't know all the details, so it's almost impossible to make a confident judgement about free agency offers/non-offers. You and others want so badly to hang someone, that you'll assume it's all about Darcy just so you have someone to point a finger at.

The best way to judge a GM is by trades, because everything is apparent in that process. We see what each team wanted or were willing to accept in a trade, and then we see the results a few years later. Darcy done a pretty good job over the years with trades. In free agency, we never know what the player's thoughts were, or what management was willing to offer anybody unless it actually happens. Regier isn't the one that all of a sudden made Buffalo unattractive for big name UFAs. Regier didn't make the Sabres profit margin incapable of taking on more than a few big time contracts - it's been that way forever.

I can guarantee that no matter who the Sabres GM is, he'll get the same people complaining with the same thing every year. It's not all about Regier...it just isn't.


Wait, you said you don't know all the details, yet you guarantee that Darcy isn't to blame???

Alright you're a player, you get offered a 5 million a year contract to play with Buffalo, yet you've always wanted to play for say Pittsburgh, they offer you 4.25 million a year. Who does that player pick?

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I come from the angle that we don't know all the details, so it's almost impossible to make a confident judgement about free agency offers/non-offers.


I can guarantee that no matter who the Sabres GM is, he'll get the same people complaining with the same thing every year. It's not all about Regier...it just isn't.

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I'm saying this. Darcy hasn't signed anyone in 3 years, so he is either unable to or is just a bad GM. But why wont we fire him? Other teams fire their GMs when they don't make it to the playoffs! We have missed the playoffs for 2 years then kicked in the first round, and he is STILL around! No deals happen, then fire him. It should have been done.


Many of us agree with ya man. A lot of teams would have fired some people if they were in our situation.


well then they don't fire him because its NOT him.... its Quinn... and now that Quinn is part owner, good luck getting rid of that stiff.... tell Quinn to pull the cuffs off Darcy and let the man work... he is a hell of a GM, when he is allowed to be.... But its obvious that Quinn won't let him be....

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BlueandYellow wrote:
Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
See B&Y, you first responded to my other post with a ridiculous exaggeration - that NO UFAs ever signed in Buffalo. Now you say name a good trade that Darcy made, as if there never were any.

Don't respond with off the cliff exaggerations from the opposite point of view. It shows you just aren't willing or aren't capable right now of having a reasonable discussion.

Obviously you just choose to insult me instead of having a reasonable discussion. You say we can't assume anything about Darcy, yet you still say our opinions are wrong and Darcy isn't to blame.

Last 3 years, name a good trade.

We got Rivet
We got Torres
We got Zuburus

Our trades were for one year. Rivet was the best trade. He used to trade and pick up UFA's now the past 3 years nothing has happened. When no trades or FA signings happen you don't blame the GM you blame the rest of the world??? Come on man. Darcy isn't a good GM.


moved macarthur, moved kotalik, got moore. moved pailled, moved mika noronen (i still think he could be a starter) moved biron, signed thibault, got ty conklin, signed lalime, got grier back......

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
See B&Y, you first responded to my other post with a ridiculous exaggeration - that NO UFAs ever signed in Buffalo. Now you say name a good trade that Darcy made, as if there never were any.

Don't respond with off the cliff exaggerations from the opposite point of view. It shows you just aren't willing or aren't capable right now of having a reasonable discussion.

Obviously you just choose to insult me instead of having a reasonable discussion. You say we can't assume anything about Darcy, yet you still say our opinions are wrong and Darcy isn't to blame.

Last 3 years, name a good trade.

We got Rivet
We got Torres
We got Zuburus

Our trades were for one year. Rivet was the best trade. He used to trade and pick up UFA's now the past 3 years nothing has happened. When no trades or FA signings happen you don't blame the GM you blame the rest of the world??? Come on man. Darcy isn't a good GM.


moved macarthur, moved kotalik, got moore. moved pailled, moved mika noronen (i still think he could be a starter) moved biron, signed thibault, got ty conklin, signed lalime, got grier back......


Grier was the best. :|

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
See B&Y, you first responded to my other post with a ridiculous exaggeration - that NO UFAs ever signed in Buffalo. Now you say name a good trade that Darcy made, as if there never were any.

Don't respond with off the cliff exaggerations from the opposite point of view. It shows you just aren't willing or aren't capable right now of having a reasonable discussion.

Obviously you just choose to insult me instead of having a reasonable discussion. You say we can't assume anything about Darcy, yet you still say our opinions are wrong and Darcy isn't to blame.

Last 3 years, name a good trade.

We got Rivet
We got Torres
We got Zuburus

Our trades were for one year. Rivet was the best trade. He used to trade and pick up UFA's now the past 3 years nothing has happened. When no trades or FA signings happen you don't blame the GM you blame the rest of the world??? Come on man. Darcy isn't a good GM.


moved macarthur, moved kotalik, got moore. moved pailled, moved mika noronen (i still think he could be a starter) moved biron, signed thibault, got ty conklin, signed lalime, got grier back......


The only thing I like out of all that is grier and moving Kotalik.

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WAIT, GUYS! what about streit? dude can light up a power play BY HIMSELF.

im on board with streit. make it happen!

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BlueandYellow wrote:
Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
Displaced, I come from the angle that we don't know all the details, so it's almost impossible to make a confident judgement about free agency offers/non-offers. You and others want so badly to hang someone, that you'll assume it's all about Darcy just so you have someone to point a finger at.

The best way to judge a GM is by trades, because everything is apparent in that process. We see what each team wanted or were willing to accept in a trade, and then we see the results a few years later. Darcy done a pretty good job over the years with trades. In free agency, we never know what the player's thoughts were, or what management was willing to offer anybody unless it actually happens. Regier isn't the one that all of a sudden made Buffalo unattractive for big name UFAs. Regier didn't make the Sabres profit margin incapable of taking on more than a few big time contracts - it's been that way forever.

I can guarantee that no matter who the Sabres GM is, he'll get the same people complaining with the same thing every year. It's not all about Regier...it just isn't.



Name some trades that got us good players. We got Torres this year. And he was benched!


Gilmore
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Joe i forgot his last name
wasn't Danny and Drury trades?

again, mainly all with out Quinn Id guess...

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WAIT, GUYS! what about streit? dude can light up a power play BY HIMSELF.

im on board with streit. make it happen!


I would be happy with that. The guy kicked ass on my fantasy team.

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WAIT, GUYS! what about streit? dude can light up a power play BY HIMSELF.

im on board with streit. make it happen!


Yeah I want him and hamhuis, maybe let Tallinder go and get these two to sign. :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:

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I believe Drury was the last "Big" trade we were involved in. Anyone remember the particulars of that one?

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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
Displaced, I come from the angle that we don't know all the details, so it's almost impossible to make a confident judgement about free agency offers/non-offers. You and others want so badly to hang someone, that you'll assume it's all about Darcy just so you have someone to point a finger at.

The best way to judge a GM is by trades, because everything is apparent in that process. We see what each team wanted or were willing to accept in a trade, and then we see the results a few years later. Darcy done a pretty good job over the years with trades. In free agency, we never know what the player's thoughts were, or what management was willing to offer anybody unless it actually happens. Regier isn't the one that all of a sudden made Buffalo unattractive for big name UFAs. Regier didn't make the Sabres profit margin incapable of taking on more than a few big time contracts - it's been that way forever.

I can guarantee that no matter who the Sabres GM is, he'll get the same people complaining with the same thing every year. It's not all about Regier...it just isn't.



Name some trades that got us good players. We got Torres this year. And he was benched!


Gilmore
Dumont
Joe i forgot his last name
wasn't Danny and Drury trades?

again, mainly all with out Quinn Id guess...



I've been speaking about the past three years. As I said, nothing has happened the past 3 years, yet he used to make awesome trades and FA signings. What the hell happened?

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BlueandYellow wrote:
Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
I come from the angle that we don't know all the details, so it's almost impossible to make a confident judgement about free agency offers/non-offers.


I can guarantee that no matter who the Sabres GM is, he'll get the same people complaining with the same thing every year. It's not all about Regier...it just isn't.


That's a good quote, because I don't pretend to know everything about being an NHL GM, but I can easily predict fan response, because so many people think they're a great airchair GM.
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Streit isn't a Free Agent this year, and no way in hell the Islanders move him.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
Displaced, I come from the angle that we don't know all the details, so it's almost impossible to make a confident judgement about free agency offers/non-offers. You and others want so badly to hang someone, that you'll assume it's all about Darcy just so you have someone to point a finger at.

The best way to judge a GM is by trades, because everything is apparent in that process. We see what each team wanted or were willing to accept in a trade, and then we see the results a few years later. Darcy done a pretty good job over the years with trades. In free agency, we never know what the player's thoughts were, or what management was willing to offer anybody unless it actually happens. Regier isn't the one that all of a sudden made Buffalo unattractive for big name UFAs. Regier didn't make the Sabres profit margin incapable of taking on more than a few big time contracts - it's been that way forever.

I can guarantee that no matter who the Sabres GM is, he'll get the same people complaining with the same thing every year. It's not all about Regier...it just isn't.



Name some trades that got us good players. We got Torres this year. And he was benched!


Gilmore
Dumont
Joe i forgot his last name
wasn't Danny and Drury trades?

again, mainly all with out Quinn Id guess...



I've been speaking about the past three years. As I said, nothing has happened the past 3 years, yet he used to make awesome trades and FA signings. What the hell happened?


Quinn happened my man.... its all about the mighty Quinn....

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Streit isn't a Free Agent this year, and no way in hell the Islanders move him.


why not? they said they would. apparently darcy has spoken to them about streit....

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