It is currently Fri May 29, 2026 7:37 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Forum rules


Please click here to view the forum rules



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 48 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3

Are the Sabres moving in the right direction?
1. Yes, they are steadily improving each season and will soon be very strong Cup contenders. 36%  36%  [ 13 ]
2. No, they are just treading water. They aren't bold enough to go for the Cup. 53%  53%  [ 19 ]
3. I don't know, I was looking for porno and I ended up here. 11%  11%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 36
Author Message
Jim Bob
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:10 am 
Offline
Penalty Killer
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:01 am
Posts: 540
The Sabres are sticking with their team motto: Commitment to Mediocrity

_________________
Sabres Hockey: Commitment to Mediocrity


Top
 Profile  
 
Jim Bob
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:12 am 
Offline
Penalty Killer
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:01 am
Posts: 540
Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
The lack of scoring depth, however, is 100% correct.


I think the big scoring issue has to do with the playoffs and not the regular season.

The team was 10th in the league in Goals For per Game last year. That isn't that bad especially since Vanek, Pominville, and a few others had off years.

The biggest scoring issue I see is a lack of guys that are built for the playoffs.

_________________
Sabres Hockey: Commitment to Mediocrity


Top
 Profile  
 
Squanto
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:59 am 
Offline
Carlos Spicy-Wiener
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:31 am
Posts: 9240
Location: FAP TURBO
Their biggest problem is the assumption that players are automatically going to be better because they're a year older. That's just not always true.

Derek Roy has been the same player for the last couple seasons. So has Drew Stafford. Expecting that either player is going to be anything substantially different next year is a pipe dream.

Chris Butler was being hailed as a future stalwart of the defense when he was first called up and played so well. Last year he couldn't stay in the lineup ahead of Sekera.

Since the salary cap has been implemented, Darcy has become married to his players. As an organization, they refuse to admit that a player has reached his potential, and won't get much better, or cling to the hope that a player is going to get substantially better based on experience.

They don't need to make crazy moves, or blow it up. They need to be able to admit that they made a mistake with a player and move on, or take upgrades when they're available.


Top
 Profile  
 
Jim Bob
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:00 am 
Offline
Penalty Killer
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:01 am
Posts: 540
I'm not ready to bail on Butler. I can chalk up last year to a sophomore slump.

And I can understand if they try and hold onto Stafford. But, I would be shopping him in a deal to a team that is looking for cap relief.

_________________
Sabres Hockey: Commitment to Mediocrity


Top
 Profile  
 
X-pensfan
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:29 pm 
Offline
Star Sniper
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:31 am
Posts: 3668
Location: Pittsburgh
Jim Bob wrote:
Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
The lack of scoring depth, however, is 100% correct.


I think the big scoring issue has to do with the playoffs and not the regular season.

The team was 10th in the league in Goals For per Game last year. That isn't that bad especially since Vanek, Pominville, and a few others had off years.

The biggest scoring issue I see is a lack of guys that are built for the playoffs.



This, and come to think of it. Zherdov is far and away the LAST guy they want to add to that mix. But yo know, I don't see a quick fix in free agency anywhere, I think it's going to take a shrewd trade.

_________________
"I love that you know how to do that." Cheryl/Carol/Crystal

"And I love that I have an erection that doesn't involve homeless people." Kreiger


Top
 Profile  
 
X-pensfan
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:34 pm 
Offline
Star Sniper
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:31 am
Posts: 3668
Location: Pittsburgh
Jim Bob wrote:
I'm not ready to bail on Butler. I can chalk up last year to a sophomore slump.

And I can understand if they try and hold onto Stafford. But, I would be shopping him in a deal to a team that is looking for cap relief.



I don't see that happening, for one thing his cap hit is only like 2 million, that's not a great deal of relief when you look at the big picture. Furthermore, he is in fact capable of putting up 45-55 points, that's pretty much what you're going to get out of Zherdov for 2 million more.

Stafford is a guy I don't particularly like on the team, but they could do worse, and he is still young enough to have the word "potential" mean something.

_________________
"I love that you know how to do that." Cheryl/Carol/Crystal

"And I love that I have an erection that doesn't involve homeless people." Kreiger


Top
 Profile  
 
HelloMyKneeGrows
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 7:46 pm 
Offline
Garbage Man
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:41 pm
Posts: 929
Location: Greece, NY
X-pensfan wrote:
Jim Bob wrote:
I'm not ready to bail on Butler. I can chalk up last year to a sophomore slump.

And I can understand if they try and hold onto Stafford. But, I would be shopping him in a deal to a team that is looking for cap relief.



I don't see that happening, for one thing his cap hit is only like 2 million, that's not a great deal of relief when you look at the big picture. Furthermore, he is in fact capable of putting up 45-55 points, that's pretty much what you're going to get out of Zherdov for 2 million more.

Stafford is a guy I don't particularly like on the team, but they could do worse, and he is still young enough to have the word "potential" mean something.


He's got about twenty-thirty games in to this season before I kick him off the "potential" cliff

_________________
"I can't really hear what Jeremy says, because I got my two Stanley Cup Rings plugging my ears...." -Patrick Roy in reference to Jeremy Roenick's trash talking


Top
 Profile  
 
PuckSniperPensel
PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:41 am 
Offline
Page Side
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:22 pm
Posts: 6537
Squanto wrote:
Their biggest problem is the assumption that players are automatically going to be better because they're a year older. That's just not always true.

Derek Roy has been the same player for the last couple seasons. So has Drew Stafford. Expecting that either player is going to be anything substantially different next year is a pipe dream.

Chris Butler was being hailed as a future stalwart of the defense when he was first called up and played so well. Last year he couldn't stay in the lineup ahead of Sekera.

Since the salary cap has been implemented, Darcy has become married to his players. As an organization, they refuse to admit that a player has reached his potential, and won't get much better, or cling to the hope that a player is going to get substantially better based on experience.

They don't need to make crazy moves, or blow it up. They need to be able to admit that they made a mistake with a player and move on, or take upgrades when they're available.


How are you measuring this? By production?

I know Derek has become a better player year after year. He improved his face off percentages, and nobody seemed to notice. He's also learning to be better on the defensive side of the puck. I saw multiple times this season plays where Derek came back and made some diving poke checks and shot blocks to prevent goals or passes that would have lead to great opportunities.

No one who continues to play in this league stays the same player year after year. They're always learning, always adapting.

The only reason people shit on Roy (and I'm not saying that's what you're doing, Squanto... just making a point) is because he isn't Joe Thornton.

Butler had a bad season last year. Call it a sophomore slump. These things happen.

How many years did Campbell flat out suck until he finally reached his potential?

My point is, these guys are professional athletes. Each season, we really won't know what to expect. Some guys will have off years in numbers, some will have great ones.

But in my mind, the surest bet is seeing the guys that struggled the previous year play great hockey the following one.

_________________
Wheelhouse


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 48 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: