The President will be speaking this Thursday in regards to immigration reform. Now, amnesty was discussed during the Bush Administration before, so Im not claiming its a strictly Democrat backed issue. But, with the current climate turning against Obama and news today that the federal government is planning on suing the state of Arizona in regards to the legality of its new illegal alien law, what would happen if Obama were to attempt to grant amnesty to illegals? It's not as far fetched as it seems, but Im just wondering if the Dems will be up in arms as much as the Republicans. It would be a HUGE attack against the American citizen, no matter your political leanings....thoughts?

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"I can't really hear what Jeremy says, because I got my two Stanley Cup Rings plugging my ears...." -Patrick Roy in reference to Jeremy Roenick's trash talking

Democrats know it's now or never.

just like with HCR and financial reform (oh snap, Byrd died, check the roll call) it's going to get run through.

My thoughts?
Amnesty...bank on it.
This administration has been loud and clear and consistent on the issue...they don't give a shit and they want an immediate path to citizenship.
Republicans don't have much of a leg to stand on really...Reagan's amnesty kills that argument.

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Hold my beer and watch this...

BHO needs to do something to improve his approval rating... making a ton of illegals citizens gives him a bunch of new people that will like him... hence his approval will go up.... who cares if it screws up the country any more.... he's already fucked us for years....

and really whats the big deal with the AZ law... its 10 or 11 pages... it backs what is already on the federal books... Mexico has even stricter regulations... i need to show my driver license when i get pulled over... what's the big freaking deal... hell do you know how hard it is to register a car in PA? I'll take showing a lil id to a cop over that any day...

and its awfully comical that BHO is all hot and bothered over AZ and the boarder and doesn't want to secure the boarder (let the illegals keep coming, it'll help him when he makes them citizens) but the dumb ass won't suspend the jones act so foreign ships can help us in the gulf (can't do that, might upset the unions or actually do some good in the gulf).... there is a ship sitting, DOCKED! in the netherlands, that is the latest and greatest in oil clean up, it can basically skim in one day what every ship we have out there now can do in a day... it was offered to us WEEKS ago... but because of the jones act and BHO not suspending it, the ship sits DOCKED!!!.... PATHETIC!!!

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04 ... ation-law/

ok, so illegals need to show their papers, IF they are suspected of being illegal... whats the big deal... again, you get pulled over, you show papers, you want to buy a house, a car, your drunk in public.... you need info... they only time you don't need info is if your running for president, you don't need your birth certificate... just take the candidate's word on it... but to title a car in PA you need notaries, insurance, vin rubbings, inspection mechanics, gross weight verification...

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Well, it was the usual dishonest melding of legal and illegal immigration in historical terms. They talk about the benefits of legal immigration as reasons to support illegal immigration. But I'm not fooled. I just shake my head. Secure the border. Crack down on businesses that hire illegals. Then watch them leave the country themselves. There already leaving what with the piss poor economy and all. There's no need to "round up and deport 12 million illegals". That's a straw man argument. I'll not trust anything the government says on what will take place in the future regarding immigration. Secure the border now, then we'll talk.

Ham

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Do you believe yet?

What's the big deal? The big deal is when natural born American citizens are stopped, and provide proof of citizenship, YET ARE STILL DETAINED.

That already happens.

Nobody gives a shit because it's Mexicans being affected, but if a WASP were to have this happen, there would be much yelling and screaming.

Exactly. On a long enough time line we're all odd looking foreigners who should provide papers. When you are a citizen and show that you are, that should be enough. Treating American citizens like criminals because their brown is a fucking disgrace.

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Right, so lets implement one of the two solutions being kicked around at the Federal level.

1. Keep ignoring it
2. Grant them all amnesty and keep ignoring it

To be fair, that was all Bush came up with too, but he was a complete pussy on border issues.

There are many provisions in the 1986 amnesty...requirements even...that have still yet to be implemented.

As long as this issue remains a bullshit political football nothing is ever going to get done.

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Hold my beer and watch this...

Is this a response in fear of the Arizona law? If so, showing proper ID after a legal detention unrelated to immigration status is the end of the Arizona law's impact. The Arizona law only plays out if somebody is being detained/arrested for some other reasonable suspicion/probable cause. If they can't provide proper ID (like any other legal citizen would be required at that point) then the Arizona law comes into effect.

Many county sheriff's offices around the country are already adopting policies to check immigration status of people that end up in jail, and then contacting ICE for possible deportation. The only thing the Arizona law adds is extending that power to legal detentions that might otherwise result in only interviews, interrogation reports, warnings, or citations.

The specific scenario that already happened:

American citizen of Mexican descent, born in Fresno. Resides in Arizona, drives a commercial vehicle as his occupation.

Pulled into a commercial vehicle weigh station as required. Provided his Arizona issued CDL and social security card when questioned by local officers. He was handcuffed,and turned over to Immigration officers. His wife had to drive 2 hours home to pick up his birth certificate before ICE would release him.

This is AN AMERICAN CITIZEN.

If the same thing happened to a white dude from Peoria, IL, there would be all kinds of rage and consternation over it. But since it happened to a Latino, nobody cares.

the same tired example...over and over...

You know, it's unfortunate we have a problem caused by people of 1 race so the racial implications are inseparable from the problem itself but that's reality.

If enforcing the Federal law is unacceptable, what's your solution?

When Canadians start flooding across the border are eating up all our strategic poutine reserves, I'd be perfectly fine with asking white people wearing hockey jerseys for papers.

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I've said this before.

I have no problem with the existing federal law being enforced. I also have no problem with the provisions of the Arizona law that target businesses that employ illegals. Not as many are going to come over the border if they aren't getting work. I know it doesn't stop the flood of illegals, but it absolutely would slow it down. I would like to see the employer sanctions be stricter, and applied at the Federal level.

However, nothing in Federal immigration law says that American citizens can be detained if they aren't carrying a birth certificate. The person in question was carrying an Arizona issued state drivers license. You can't get an Arizona drivers license UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE YOU ARE IN THE COUNTRY LEGALLY. The guy had acceptable documentation proving citizenship, and yet was detained ANYWAYS.

That's what I have a problem with.

I don't care if an Arizona cop pulls over someone who can't produce a drivers license, and questions their citizenship because of that. It's perfectly reasonable to me.

I have a problem with non-Caucasian folks who show acceptable proof of citizenship and yet are detained. These people are being asked to provide more documentation than you or I, and it's not right.

OK, so until the Federal government actually enforces the law, they can STFU about what Arizona is doing in their absence.

Seems completely fair to me.


Yes, it's unfortunate this problem is comprised of people of 1 specific race...too friggin bad.

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So even if they show proof you're cool with them being detained any way because they happen to be "people of 1 specific race"?

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Maybe they should have to wear star of Davad badges that say "juden" on them. Honestly the way everyone scapegoats immigrants fucking sickens me. Say whatever you all want to make yourselves feel better, but this shit is racism pure and simple and it has some pretty fucking scary precedents. Think about what it is that makes you all feel you have rights that others don't just because of where your parents fucked.

You're mis-reading what I wrote, but to answer anyway; Of course not, and any officer doing that is violating the law.

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In your opinion, should we have and enforce border laws and regulate immigration?

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I was just asking you to clarify is all. Squanto has been trying to say that he doesn't appose the law or enforcing it and in fact supports it. He has been saying that he doesn't agree with the law being used as a shield for racism by shitty cops. I can't see any reason to argue with that personally.

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Immigration should be regulated BUT it should also be possible for people to immigrate here legally. The legal door is essentially shut. That's not what this country is supposed to be about.

And why is it that so many of you are so anti-immigration? Same reason as it always is: hard economic times. In hard economic times people look for a villian. The US has found theirs: immigrants. They kill our economy right? The steal jobs from "true (read: white) Americans. Totally different from the way Hitler scapegoated Jews right? Or is it?

Well that's a bit much...as in how the FUCK can you compare regulating or even stopping immigration to killing MILLIONS of innocent people?

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