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acrossthelines
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 6:10 pm 
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I wanted a defenseman and a center signed this offseason, and Regier got both. No complaints here.

I don't ever expect any GM here to acquire an acknowledged superstar in the league; nobody wants to play here, much less the best players in the NHL. We're second only to Edmonton in that regard. The Sabres will always have to rely on their own draft picks to carry the team. As long as the players acquired are decent, I can't complain.


I can't agree that we're not an attractive franchise to play for simply because of the city area. Buffalo is a nice place and you can find plenty of players who will continue to tell you that. Our franchise can't be unattractive to players as we continue to make the playoffs for the most part and are pretty competitive

Has anyone attributed the high NY taxes as a reason why some players don't come here? It actually makes the most sense. This was brought up by Howard Simon yesterday as a reason why many players don't come here. Sure, the first argument that may come up is that well the Rangers sign everybody. The Rangers also overpay everyone, also. Look at the Boogard signing. The guy is getting $1.65 million a year to match his career high point total of SIX in 2005-06, and since then, he hasn't scored a goal, nor gotten close to six points. The Islanders rarely get players to sign with them, just second-or-third-tier guys.

To think about it outside of New York's perspective, the Californian teams rarely sign anyone prolific, either. Name one player that the Sharks have signed outside of their organization this year, or last year even. The Ducks haven't really signed anybody either. The Kings signed Rob Scuderi, but grossly overpaid him last year to make sure he came.

Californian taxes are sky high, so it would make sense that players don't want to play there, either.

The way I see it it, there's players who don't want to sign with teams simply because they have no direction, or there's players who don't want to sign with a team due to cost of living, unless that team is willing to overpay the player for compensation (Jordan Leopold, anyone?). The Sabres, in my opinion, fall into the ones with the living expense issue, that being taxes. They draft well and consistently are competitive.


Hmm, never thought of the tax issue.

I don't believe that the aversion to Buffalo has anything to do with management anymore, not after Grier came back. It undoubtedly did for several seasons, but I do think they have learned from the mistakes that were made, whatever they happened to be, exactly. I do think it has quite a bit to do with the amount of snow the area gets (I think the winters are a part of the reason the players don't like Edmonton, either), the view that players have of the area formulated purely by the drive from the airport to downtown, and simply the negative perception that the public has of Buffalo in general. At best, there is neutrality in considering WNY. Taxes probably do add quite a bit to how players view living in the area.

When the Sabres do acquire new players via free agency, they have a tendency to be veterans, with families and children that are school age. Most of them do mention at some point WNY's good schools and its reputation around the league as a decent place to raise as a family as a factor in their decision to sign with the Sabres. I like WNY, but there isn't much it has to offer younger players compared to other NHL cities when it comes to stereotypically desirable traits.

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Yay another 3rd/4th liner. Who the hell is going to score on this team?


The problem this year wasn't our 3rd/4th liners not producing. In fact, they OVERproduced I think. Our problem is, we need the guys on the first two lines to pull their own weight.

7.143.........Vanek..............53 pts
5.3.............Poms...............62 pts
4.5.............Roy..................69 pts
4.5.............Tim C...............65 pts

Combined Cap Hit....21.433 million for 249 points, not one guy over 70 points. Thats PATHETIC not one of those four cracked 70 points with the deals they have considering they played 53, 82, 80, 73 games respectively. Fuckin pathetic.

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That's nowhere near pathetic. There are contracts all around the league that are a little bloated from the two summer spendy era. Not many players have outpaced their contracts based on pts the last few seasons, and Buffalo is not an exception. I'd like for the top six to produce more, but they are not even below average compared to the rest of the league.


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Sabresfansince1980 wrote:
That's nowhere near pathetic. There are contracts all around the league that are a little bloated from the two summer spendy era. Not many players have outpaced their contracts based on pts the last few seasons, and Buffalo is not an exception. I'd like for the top six to produce more, but they are not even below average compared to the rest of the league.


some whats going on with the last two guys in you sig, that you have not crossed off? im guessing they are still on the market? any word on them?

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Stempniak is still unsigned and Burns may possibly be on the trade market before the summer is over.


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Yeah, thanks Sabres Alerts for NOT texting me this. I had no idea about this until I logged into Facebook a few minutes ago. Oh well...nice to see.

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fly as hale wrote:
Yeah, thanks Sabres Alerts for NOT texting me this. I had no idea about this until I logged into Facebook a few minutes ago. Oh well...nice to see.

I found out around noon from my brother. I did not get the text either. My brother just sent me, "rob niedermayer."

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If Miller and Myers were playing like they did last year, we'd probably be over 500 right now.

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I am more excited about this signing than I was for the leopold signing. Good job Darcy.

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I love this signing. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I love this signing.

I wanted John Madden, and instead Darcy goes out and signs a younger (by one year), bigger (to the tune of three inches and 20 pounds), more productive (130 more points, albeit in 300+ more games) version for likely cheaper than he would have gotten Madden. Great signing.

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HelloMyKneeGrows wrote:
patkane88 wrote:
Yay another 3rd/4th liner. Who the hell is going to score on this team?


The problem this year wasn't our 3rd/4th liners not producing. In fact, they OVERproduced I think. Our problem is, we need the guys on the first two lines to pull their own weight.

7.143.........Vanek..............53 pts
5.3.............Poms...............62 pts
4.5.............Roy..................69 pts
4.5.............Tim C...............65 pts

Combined Cap Hit....21.433 million for 249 points, not one guy over 70 points. Thats PATHETIC not one of those four cracked 70 points with the deals they have considering they played 53, 82, 80, 73 games respectively. Fuckin pathetic.


They have to do better, and I hope they realise this. Hopefully Neidermayer will bring a voice of veteran leadership with him, and maybe even read a riot act or two.

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FUCK is it hockey season yet?

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mechaphil wrote:
I love this signing. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I love this signing.

I wanted John Madden, and instead Darcy goes out and signs a younger (by one year), bigger (to the tune of three inches and 10 pounds), more productive (130 more points, albeit in 300+ more games) version for likely cheaper than he would have gotten Madden. Great signing.



I think Madden is still a lot better, but Neidermayer is going to be a great asset for the team next season for sure. What I like most is the leadership. He's not going to lead with goals but he's goign to bring his best game all the time and do what he does to the best of his ability. And he's going to back check hard. I'm hoping that this young impressionable team will start to think like him and less like Roy.

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X-pensfan wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
I love this signing. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I love this signing.

I wanted John Madden, and instead Darcy goes out and signs a younger (by one year), bigger (to the tune of three inches and 10 pounds), more productive (130 more points, albeit in 300+ more games) version for likely cheaper than he would have gotten Madden. Great signing.



I think Madden is still a lot better, but Neidermayer is going to be a great asset for the team next season for sure. What I like most is the leadership. He's not going to lead with goals but he's goign to bring his best game all the time and do what he does to the best of his ability. And he's going to back check hard. I'm hoping that this young impressionable team will start to think like him and less like Roy.

For what its worth, TSN had Rob Niedermayer as a possible candidate for the 2010 Olympic team when we talking about it in 07-08, and Madden didnt get a mention. :D

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Whoa, it's a great signing but the guy only had 20 something points. He's not going to produce good numbers. We still need a forward. A PRODUCING forward.

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Not saying Darcy didn't do a good job, of course. Just saying, don't get TOO excited until we get a producer.

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i wouldnt mind john madden though.

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X-pensfan wrote:
They have to do better, and I hope they realise this. Hopefully Neidermayer will bring a voice of veteran leadership with him, and maybe even read a riot act or two.


That's not his style really. Anyway, I think people have an overly critical view of the top six. They have produced at a fair rate to their contracts compared to the rest of the league. Let me be a stat geek for a minute...

The players listed above all have a cap hit of at least 4 mil, and all scored under 70 pts. Right now there are 81 forwards that will have a cap hit of 4 mil or above next season, and only 26 of them scored over 70 pts. 55 forwards that have a cap hit over 4 mil scored less than 70 pts, so Connolly, Roy, Pominville and Vanek are in good company.

Taking it a step further, since Connolly and Roy seem to take the brunt of criticism... Only seven teams had top two centers that scored more pts than Connolly and Roy. Connolly and Roy equaled Toews and Sharp, were just behind Datsyuk and Zetterberg, and actually beat Richards and Carter.

The top six can use a physical scorer and some leadership qualities, but they are solid in point production. Dumping any of those four for leadership or physicality without replacing the talent and point production won't go very far.


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mechaphil wrote:
I love this signing. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I love this signing.

I wanted John Madden, and instead Darcy goes out and signs a younger (by one year), bigger (to the tune of three inches and 20 pounds), more productive (130 more points, albeit in 300+ more games) version for likely cheaper than he would have gotten Madden. Great signing.


Totally agree I would rather have Niedermayer over Madden anyday of the week.


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mechaphil wrote:
I love this signing. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I love this signing.

I wanted John Madden, and instead Darcy goes out and signs a younger (by one year), bigger (to the tune of three inches and 20 pounds), more productive (130 more points, albeit in 300+ more games) version for likely cheaper than he would have gotten Madden. Great signing.


Madden has more cups though, I don't mind the signing but really how many third liners can on team have????

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Not saying Darcy didn't do a good job, of course. Just saying, don't get TOO excited until we get a producer.


I also think we could use a scorer up front but what is to happen with Gerbe. I have no problem with buffalo getting rid of Stafford but I believe is his trade value is low right now. Plus I wouldn't mind seeing what Gerbe brings to the table this season. To me this is his make or break year. The guy is capable of playing in the NHL it just depends on what team he is on. If Buffalo keeps him or moves him.


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