He had 10 goals. I think the most goals he could ever get could be 17 or something. That's the max though.

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I was told by a departed member of the forums that he was a more skilled Matthew Barnaby...I told that member he was on crack...which is completely false; but so is saying Kaleta is as skilled as Barnaby.

Kaleta is great for what he is, and what he is, is a pest. He's got great speed, blocks shots, and does all the fundamental hockey things right, but he's not a hands guy, he's an energy guy. Notice most of his goals are drive hard to the net, and put in a deflected puck, or a rebound. Thats his game. And it's great to have a guy like that on your team.

I also don't get the argument of whether he is a dirty player or not. He's our player, so we as fans tend to love those kinda guys and make excuses for them. He hits hard, and he gets under other teams skin and draws penalties. You can't tell me that shoving people after the whistle, calling people fucking geeks, and absolutely crushing people along the boards isn't clean. It may not be the worst things done on the ice, but it's also not the most honest thing in the world either. He finishes his check, and thats solid hockey, but he also hits behind the play, leaves his feet on the occasion, and he tries to line people up, defenseless or not. It's how he plays, on the edge of out of control and on the fine print in the rule book.

He is what he is, I dont think anybody who is a Sabres fan dislikes having that type of player, but I also know several people on the forum who hate Avery, Rutuu, Clutterbuck, etc, and they are the exact same type of player. If we had those guys on our roster, we'd love em; but since we have to play against them, we love to hate them.

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Squanto 7/27/2010

Yes, good post. And if I may elaborate, which I am going to, who cares how he scores them? 10 goals is GREAT production from a player in that role, and if he manages to score 15 or even more who is going to ask how? Nobody cares, he got the pucks in the net, and a lot of them.

I still feel kind of bad for him that he's going to be under paid by 3-4k for two years. Especially since they aren't even going to come close to spending to the cap ceiling this season.

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Isn't dirty against the rules? Hitting people isn't against the rules.

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Dirty is a form of interpretation. I consider it semi-dirty to push, shove, sucker punch after the whistle. Others don't. I consider driving a defenseless player into the boards dirty, others dont. It's a matter of who you are, and how you view the game to be played.

I never said hitting players was against the rules dude, what I was saying is lining a player up from 15 strides away and destroying him is, but it's not called. It is supposed to be charging, but the refs have kinda taken that out of the rule books. I also consider hitting players low (below the waist) or high (head shots) to be extremely dirty, and others dont. I have never been, an advocate of hip checks that flip the player, because it's a dangerous play. I also have never been an advocate of raising up at impact, while it's not against the rules (yet); it's still hitting higher up on a player than need be.

Just my two cents.

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Squanto 7/27/2010

Dirty is intentionally aiming for the head.

Dirty is intentionally punching a dude in the twig and berries.

Dirty is intentionally slashing someone in a defenseless manner.

Dirty is intentionally stepping on someone with your skate blade.

Unless there is intent, it's just reckless play.

so, kaletas unintentionally.. reckless? i dunno. i agree to a point. but if you bend the rules, its dirty. but there are degrees of dirtiness.

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I also don't think of Clutterbuck [i]at all[i] in the same way that I think of Avery or Ruutu. In fact, I don't even think of Avery and Ruutu the same way. There's being a douche, and there's biting a guy through the glove.

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mechaphil

Yes...but I like when he does this stuff....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7S8OBUyUEE
and the 2nd goal here =]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yBskvmJECg

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Never would every disagree with that GS29; I love when he shows his skill and ability. I absolutely love everything about his game to be honest; hes tough as nails, works his ass off, and brings it every shift.

I think my point is being lost in translation; he's a key part to our team, and has a ton of upside. I'm just saying that he's not a model citizen out there, and nor are the other guys mentioned. They're are different levels to it, I agree, but they are all in the same category of pest, agitators, equalizers, whatever you want to call it. Hell, the greatest pest of all time, Matthew Barnaby is my favorite player; and he's certainly not a model citizen out there. But they are effective at what they do.

Remember when Barnaby came back and played against us? Everyone bitched about how dirty he had gotten, well it's not that his game changed at all, he just wasn't wearing a Sabres uniform anymore.

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Squanto 7/27/2010

i'm probably in the vast minority here, but i absolutely HATE his goal celebration lol

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"on the ice now for buffalo, looking for the pass, and gets it, afinogenov, couldnt get the shot away, now HE DOES, HE SCORES!!!! HOLY MACKEREL ROLE THE HIGH LIGHT FILM, MAXIM AFINOGENOV, WHAT A MOVE!!!!.... thats not fair... that was unbelievable"
-R.J. and Lorenz

Bending the rules is trying to lean in on a faceoff for better position.

Dirty is spearing the guy in the ribs while you're doing it.

Reminds me how people would complain about how dirty Briere had gotten when he became a Flyer, and a bunch of us had to remind people he did those things as a Sabres, too.

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mechaphil

I view being dirty as head shots, knee on knee hits, spearing, and Pronger like stomping. Kaleta doesn't do much of that ever, and when he does I don't think it's intentional. It's Ruutu and Neil who I think do the dirty stuff, intentional headshots and stuff like that.

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I'm not a big fan of it, either. It's a little bit too obnoxious for me. I like his grin better. Just flash that after every goal instead

What are you, Don Cherry? I think it's awesome. He only gets to do it maybe 10 times a year.

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"Counting all the assholes in the room, I'm definitely not alone!" ~ Michael Poulsen, Volbeat, Still Standing.

I think his goal celebration is awesome as well, it happens not too often and its cocky enough to basically have the other team wishing Kaleta's death.

no, im the same way. i think the dice roll sucks myself.

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I love it, because he's probably chosen the most obnoxious celebration he possibly could. Fits right in with being an agitator.

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Wheelhouse

I like it because Kaleta does it, his job is to be obnoxious and outright annoying to the other team so he picked a pretty good celebration for that role. If say Vanek or Ennis started doing that I would disapprove.